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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 16:26:35 GMT
oldman65 - I think the Lamborghini Terzo Millennio can be seen as a Class A analogue to the Ariel Atom V8 in Class D. Not overpowered, but representing absolute perfection within its class (or former class, in the case of the Terzo).
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 16:29:55 GMT
I think the Terzo has been left in low Class S in order to justify requiring the more valuable Superb Wild Cards instead of Prime Wild Cards. The Terzo is still the king of Class A, but you have to pay the premium price of a Class S car in order to fully upgrade this car, which I think is intentional.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 16:35:31 GMT
I think rounding error is larger for mph. So, a speed of .40 kph = .24 mph and you would display .4 kph or .2 mph. But .41 kph = .25 mph and with rounding might be displayed as .4 kph and .3 mph. So, perhaps that accounts for it. But getting back to the cars specifically, I’m seeing the exact same speeds for TS and Nitro with either kph or mph. Dunno where I got it in my head that they were different. Maybe I’m remembering a post from someone or just mis-remembering because the FXX K has a higher rank and that usually means higher TTS. I could have sworn the FXX K had a faster TTS, but that isn’t what the game stats list no matter the units… 😜 So, really you choose between Acc or Handling+NE when comparing the two. I usually pick the Senna, unless I can’t use my Cent as a starter car in Gauntlet for some reason… 👍 The FXX K has 0.1 mph over the Senna in nitro speed, rather than in raw top speed. The Senna is 31.5 mph, whereas the FXX K is 31.6 mph. However, in km/h, both cars are 50.8 km/h. Overall, the FXX K is one rank higher than the Senna, at S1861 vs S1860. OK, Now I understand. You are looking at speeds with TK and I was looking at unboosted. Unboosted, the speeds diplay identically no matter the units. So, the difference is pretty much as I thought. The FXX K has an almost imperceptible speed advantage that only presents with TK and use of mph units due to rounding. If we could see the speeds down to 100ths or 1000ths we would see the difference more clearly regardless of units or boost. Thnx for letting me know I don’t have dementia yet… I knew the FXX K was very slightly faster… 🤪
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 16:44:52 GMT
The Agera RS has noob nitro efficiency. This is the main factor that I was considering when ranking it against the other cars in high Class S. Most high Class S vehicles have better nitro efficiency than the Agera RS, even including the Renault Sport R.S. 01. The BXR Bailey Blade GT1 Special Edition has nearly identical nitro efficiency to the Agera RS, and the Aston Martin Valhalla seems to have worse nitro efficiency by a small margin. The McLaren MP4-31 has far worse nitro efficiency, and the 2018 McLaren X2 has similar nitro efficiency. The Mazzanti Evantra Millecavalli has slightly better nitro efficiency. The Agera RS would be a very good car if it had better nitro efficiency, not necessarily at the level of the Lamborghini Centenario, but just at the level of the McLaren Senna or Ferrari FXX K. The Agera RS's advantage in raw top speed (top speed without nitro) is not strong enough to mitigate its lack of nitro efficiency. Its handling and drifting are really good, so it can be useful as a backup car in Gauntlet, but only in situations where its poor nitro efficiency won't be such a huge handicap. That is fair. I guess I just like the handling more and don’t think the NE is so bad, esp with TB. (but that’s probably confirmation bias because it is my new shiny thing and I paid real money for it.) Though, I have to say I spent real money on the FXX K as well to reach T25 and get the most kit cards I could for it. (Senna as well) No WCs to convert back in those days. 😝 Had to get as many cards as possible in the Festivals. Anyway, I like the RS and often use it before my FXX K. Higher TS and better handling/drifting means less lost speed in the twisties and better chance to stay off the walls, which can be an issue with the top S class cars on some tracks… And I need all the help I can get… 🤪 I think I’m also less sensitive to NE issues because of my love for my RX8SE which is almost flawless at its rank except for its horrible NE. So, I’m used to compensating for bad NE with TB as a trade off to use and otherwise good car. 😁 I think the Agera RS is a top contender for handling+drifting... it works wonders on the various Terra 9 tracks. Previously, I had placed it in Tier 3. I moved it down to Tier 4, but I might return it to Tier 3 if there is a consensus about its overall performance. Tier 3 also hosts the Pagani Huayra BC, Ferrari 488 Pista and Ferrari FXX K, at the moment. The Agera RS is one of my favourite rides in terms of handling+drifting... It is almost flawless in that area, allowing for easy, enjoyable and reliable driving, which might just surpass the need for a slightly better nitro efficiency, with the above-average raw top speed considered at the same time.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 16:48:38 GMT
Ronan🌻 I also agree with your other Terzo posts. It was/is the A class king. They definitely wanted to keep the higher upgrade cost. Interesting choice to alter the entry rank to S class rather than simply buff the TTS to the top of S class where this car belongs. It is a prototype version of the Sian after all. Why not simply boost it there and let it fight amongst its true peers. This thing should be fighting the Cents, Jeskos and Sians, not the bottom of a class of kings or the top of a class where it cannot be used until you reach Elite in MP. ✌️😷
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 17:05:38 GMT
Ronan🌻 I also agree with your other Terzo posts. It was/is the A class king. They definitely wanted to keep the higher upgrade cost. Interesting choice to alter the entry rank to S class rather than simply buff the TTS to the top of S class where this car belongs. It is a prototype version of the Sian after all. Why not simply boost it there and let it fight amongst its true peers. This thing should be fighting the Cents, Jeskos and Sians, not the bottom of a class of kings or the top of a class where it cannot be used until you reach Elite in MP. ✌️😷 TBH, the Terzo looks like the sort of car that should stay in Class A. It doesn't feel like a Class S car to me, but maybe that's because I've always been used to seeing it as a Class A car. Maybe they should just raise the maximum limit of Class A to A1805? Alternatively, they can reduce its speed to the same level as the Ford GT 2017, and place it at rank A1800. It will still be superior to the Ford GT 2017, even with the loss of speed. The advantage will be that it will be accessible earlier into Classic MP seasons.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 17:14:20 GMT
Ronan🌻 I also agree with your other Terzo posts. It was/is the A class king. They definitely wanted to keep the higher upgrade cost. Interesting choice to alter the entry rank to S class rather than simply buff the TTS to the top of S class where this car belongs. It is a prototype version of the Sian after all. Why not simply boost it there and let it fight amongst its true peers. This thing should be fighting the Cents, Jeskos and Sians, not the bottom of a class of kings or the top of a class where it cannot be used until you reach Elite in MP. ✌️😷 TBH, the Terzo looks like the sort of car that should stay in Class A. It doesn't feel like a Class S car to me, but maybe that's because I've always been used to seeing it as a Class A car. Maybe they should just raise the maximum limit of Class A to A1805? Alternatively, they can reduce its speed to the same level as the Ford GT 2017, and place it at rank A1800. It will still be superior to the Ford GT 2017, even with the loss of speed. The advantage will be that it will be accessible earlier into Classic MP seasons. Yeah, either way, this car belongs at the top of a class. It is outstanding and should not wallow around at the bottom of any class. Maybe do as you say or even drop it further to the top of B class. The very top of B class is full of cars that underperform badly.
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Post by anotherdriver on Aug 25, 2021 10:27:16 GMT
I don't own the Terzo, but I can attest to its excellence. I own a Ford GT (1800). Whenever I meet a Terzo, I just know I'm likely racing for 2nd place, unless I have the advantage of a much better starting position, boosters (They're usually TB), or they make a mistake (and I don't).
But the likelihood of a Terzo driver to make a mistake is low. The Terzo festival was a long time ago, so those who got it from that festival have been playing for long. Those who bought and Proed it after the festival have also spent a lot of valuable learning time grinding for resources. So when a Terzo beats me I'm like, "Respect to you. You're probably a better driver, with a better car."
I have a plan though. Once I'm done with the cars I have lined up to spend resources on, I will get an SVJ. Armed with an SVJ, I will be specifically hunting Terzos...😀
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Post by Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 on Aug 30, 2021 3:36:09 GMT
Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 - Hi, I see that you use the BXR Bailey Blade GT1 SE. I'd like to know your opinion on its handling? I also have this car, but I want a second opinion. Thanks. Lemme run some test races over the next week. I haven’t used it too much, I did like it when I first got it, but not used it enough to make a good judgement. I had in my gauntlet lineup early on, but it gets kind of put to the back in favour of the 600lt, Pagani Huayra BC and Pista. Not for any reason specifically. I will run it in Master Season during the week and report back Ran the BXR Bailey Blade GT1 SE at the start of the Masters season for about 40 races. It took me a while, maybe 6 races to actually get used to the handling and drifting. I dont think it was better or worse than any other car, just been using the Divo and Terzo for a while and wasnt most likely used to the different turns/drifting mechanics. Its a nice handling car, drifts and turns well once you get used to it. It seems to be a very light car though, a lot of times I was expecting it to almost take off. I dont know if I was imagining it or not, but it almost seems to float a little longer over some bumps and dips. Drifts well though and turns good into corners, at times have to remember not to oversteer as id end up heading for a wall and its hard to correct. Reminds me when I stepped into the RX8SE or the Beast Alpha for the first time. I was running without TK most of the time, I found it ran better and a little more precise with a TK than without. I still prefer the FXX K for handling and as far as just handling. Not sure I could pick a winner out of the 600LT, Huayra BC, Pista and this one. Although I know some would pick the 600LT. I guess I havnt driven it enough to make a good judgement. Hope thats enough info. Cheers
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 30, 2021 6:35:36 GMT
Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 - Thanks! Yes, the Blade SE does not seem to be a king of handling, though it turns well and is very light. Lightness is both an advantage and a disadvantage; it depends on the situation.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 4, 2021 16:11:10 GMT
Comments on the Lamborghini Sian FKP 37 versus the McLaren Speedtail
The Sian has better handling and drifting than the Speedtail, so it is more versatile. In terms of nitro efficiencies, the Sian has 6/11/14, whereas the Speedtail has 7/10.5/14.5. Clearly, the Sian has a more balanced overall nitro efficiency, but the superior perfect nitro efficiency of the Speedtail could come in handy in certain situations. Theoretically, the Speedtail and Sian have almost identical rates of acceleration, but I think the Sian gets more out of its acceleration on average due to its superior handling+drifting. The Sian is also slightly faster in total top speed and raw top speed. Overall, this makes the Sian the superior car, though the Speedtail still packs a punch.
For an idea of the handling+drifting of the Sian versus the Speedtail, the Sian feels similar to the Volkswagen I.D. R in Class C, whereas the Speedtail feels similar to the nanoFlowcell QUANTINO in Class D.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 10, 2021 19:37:56 GMT
Ronan🌻 , Time to revisit the Nemesis. The buff it got in the latest Anniversary update has catapulted it near the top. Maybe not Tier 1, (not quite enough TTS or NE for that I think) but I’d place it Tier 2 at least. It seems to have preserved its ACC (though the stat is slightly lower) It had great raw TS and very good TTS. And the handling is faaaar better now. It handles the Munich and Sector 8 spirals with aplomb. Its handling is approaching the Senna and Cent, and it is smooth and controllable without being squirrelly or frantic. It is now in my Gauntlet lineup right next to my Senna to handle all the twisty bits while not sacrificing speed and acc in and out of the turns… I can’t say for sure, but its ACC might be good enough to use it as a starter car if I want to move my Cent to another spot in certain tracks where its better NE will give an advantage where nitro is scarce.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 10, 2021 20:56:14 GMT
Ronan🌻 , Time to revisit the Nemesis. The buff it got in the latest Anniversary update has catapulted it near the top. Maybe not Tier 1, (not quite enough TTS or NE for that I think) but I’d place it Tier 2 at least. It seems to have preserved its ACC (though the stat is slightly lower) It had great raw TS and very good TTS. And the handling is faaaar better now. It handles the Munich and Sector 8 spirals with aplomb. Its handling is approaching the Senna and Cent, and it is smooth and controllable without being squirrelly or frantic. It is now in my Gauntlet lineup right next to my Senna to handle all the twisty bits while not sacrificing speed and acc in and out of the turns… I can’t say for sure, but its ACC might be good enough to use it as a starter car if I want to move my Cent to another spot in certain tracks where its better NE will give an advantage where nitro is scarce. I've spent the past several hours testing out the performances of most of the nerfed vehicles before they get buffed in my account. I also recorded video footage of all of Mastery, Mastery Rewards, Tag Season, Collections, and the Asphalt Tracker. Out of the twelve vehicles whose performances were changed, I own eight of them at MAX+PRO, three of them with partial upgrades (5555-5053 for the TVR Sagaris, 5555-3132 for the Infiniti PBS, and 7181 for the Infiniti PBS SE), and I do not own the TRION NEMESIS. The TRION NEMESIS is something of a wildcard for me. I have never owned it, and I've only briefly driven it during free tries in the past. Its previous performance was already very good, and I'm assuming that its new performance is also going to be very good.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 10, 2021 21:02:45 GMT
I've also been working on this decal grid for my main Windows PC account. It shows the number of decals that each car possesses in total alongside the number of decals that I own for each car. It also shows the basic acquisition types for each car's decals. The decal grid has existed since around January 2021 or earlier, but I've only recently given it this new coloured formatting. The entire Wikia (Fandom) platform's code was changed twice over the past two years, messing up a lot of pre-existing tables and templates. So, this table didn't have any borders, for example, before I changed it just a few hours ago. Entering in each of the little golden borders is a manual labour job, and there are over a hundred cars in that list, I think, so it'll take me a while longer. I own 1516 decals in total.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 10, 2021 21:20:39 GMT
I have owned the Nemesis for a very long time. One of the first things I did in the game when I started playing seriously was farm enough credits to buy it and then spent a bunch of time gathering the FIV8 engines to PRO it. Took quite a while, but it was good to have the best car obtainable with credits in the game. It was soon outclassed by other cars, but it was always a great memory to have earned it and acquired it.
Even when it was outclassed by other top S class kings, it retained its awesome ACC. And it was always a well rounded car. NE has always been average and therefore its greatest weakness. Not saying it is bad NE, but many other cars at the top of S class have better NE; so, they have an advantage against the Nemesis.
Now with its buff, everything about the Nemesis is excellent save only the NE which remains average at best. If the NE had been buffed as well, I would put this car in the top tier. Its ACC is among the best in the game and its handling/drifting is now superb, also among the best in the game. TS is very high, (281.6 mph / 453.4 kph unboosted). TTS is good at 306.1 mph / 492.9 kph unboosted.
This car, before was a speed machine at its rank, but was in a rank nomans land where the top S class cars would kill it. Now it is competitive with them even though not the best.
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