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Post by Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 on Aug 22, 2021 5:59:37 GMT
Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 - Hi, I see that you use the BXR Bailey Blade GT1 SE. I'd like to know your opinion on its handling? I also have this car, but I want a second opinion. Thanks. Lemme run some test races over the next week. I haven’t used it too much, I did like it when I first got it, but not used it enough to make a good judgement. I had in my gauntlet lineup early on, but it gets kind of put to the back in favour of the 600lt, Pagani Huayra BC and Pista. Not for any reason specifically. I will run it in Master Season during the week and report back
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 22, 2021 7:45:46 GMT
Ꮆσℓ∂iε☮️🐾🐕 - Hi, I see that you use the BXR Bailey Blade GT1 SE. I'd like to know your opinion on its handling? I also have this car, but I want a second opinion. Thanks. Lemme run some test races over the next week. I haven’t used it too much, I did like it when I first got it, but not used it enough to make a good judgement. I had in my gauntlet lineup early on, but it gets kind of put to the back in favour of the 600lt, Pagani Huayra BC and Pista. Not for any reason specifically. I will run it in Master Season during the week and report back Thank you! I think the Blade SE has relatively good handling (and drifting), but it also seems to have a style of handling from the early years of the game, completely unlike anything else near its rank. The Blade SE's handling and drifting seem to be entirely ripped off from the original BXR Bailey Blade GT1 in Class B. This is different from the TVR Sagaris SE versus TVR Sagaris, which have noticeably different handling and drifting from one another. I've ranked the Blade SE quite low in some of my recent posts here, though it's not actually supposed to be that low. In 9300 Gauntlet mode, I've seen players using it in the tunnel in French Guiana, in the beginning of Transylvania: Citadel Clash (analogous with the end of Transylvania: The King's Highway), and in the middle or the end of the various Munich Subway tracks (i.e. position 2 or 3).
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 22, 2021 16:25:23 GMT
chauhan739 - I have started performing rigorous nitro efficiency tests on as many vehicles as possible in Class S (starting from the best ones). These tests are extremely accurate... You'd need a robot or some kind of automation to make them more accurate than this. They go down to tenths of a second (0:00.100). I've rounded off all of the values to the nearest 0.5 NEI-units (roughly equivalent to five tenths of a second) in the chart for listing purposes, though the original values are still visible in brackets.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 22, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
All of the level 2 and level 3 nitro efficiency measurements compiled in those tables that WⓄⓄpsy has linked to this thread are wrong. Only the level 1 nitro efficiency measurements are mostly accurate. With that being said, the ratio of nitro efficiencies between different vehicles is roughly correct. For some reason, the method used by these players results in slightly worse nitro efficiencies (levels 2 and 3) for every vehicle that they've measured. I think they simply aren't using the most accurate method. The method that I'm using is the most accurate one and has also presumably never been used by anyone else; i.e. I invented it. All that I'm doing is parking my car into a wall (with auto-accelerate turned on) and draining the nitro, then analysing the footage to figure out the nitro durations, which I then convert into nitro efficiencies using the Nitro Efficiency Index ratio.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 3:44:06 GMT
chauhan739 WⓄⓄpsy I've made some major revisions to the main car rankings list. Thoughts? Original version (Tiers 1 to 6)Vehicles that moved down are indicated in red.Vehicles that moved up are indicated in blue.Class S cars ranked according to overall performance (by MMS): (Note: Vehicles are listed in alphabetical order in their respective tiers, rather than by performance.)
- Tier 1: Koenigsegg Jesko, Lamborghini Centenario, Lamborghini Sian FKP 37
- Tier 2: Bugatti Divo, Bugatti La Voiture Noire, Ferrari FXX K, McLaren Senna, McLaren Speedtail
- Tier 3: Bugatti Centodieci, Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+, Devel Sixteen Prototype, Ferrari 488 Pista, Koenigsegg Agera RS, Koenigsegg Gemera, Pagani Huayra BC
- Tier 4: Arash AF10, Bugatti Chiron, Bugatti Chiron Sport 110 Ans, BXR Bailey Blade GT1 Special Edition, Koenigsegg Regera, Lamborghini Aventador SV, McLaren 600LT, Renault Sport R.S. 01, TORINO DESIGN Super Sport
- Tier 5: 2018 McLaren X2, Dodge Tomahawk, Rimac C_Two, Mazzanti Evantra Millecavalli
- Tier 6: Apollo Intensa Emozione, Aspark Owl, Aston Martin Valhalla, McLaren MP4-31
Present version (Tiers 1 to 6)Vehicles that moved down are indicated in red. Vehicles that moved up are indicated in blue.Class S cars ranked according to overall performance (by MMS): (Note: Vehicles are listed in alphabetical order in their respective tiers, rather than by performance.) Key: Green is fully upgraded, Blue is highly upgraded, Yellow is medium upgraded, Pink is lowly upgraded, Purple is unowned
- Tier 1: Koenigsegg Jesko, Lamborghini Centenario
- Tier 2: Bugatti Centodieci, Bugatti Divo, Bugatti La Voiture Noire, Lamborghini Sian FKP 37, McLaren Senna, McLaren Speedtail
- Tier 3: Bugatti Chiron Sport 110 Ans, Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+, Ferrari 488 Pista, Koenigsegg Gemera, Ferrari FXX K, McLaren 600LT, Pagani Huayra BC
- Tier 4: Bugatti Chiron, BXR Bailey Blade GT1 Special Edition, Devel Sixteen Prototype, Koenigsegg Agera RS, Koenigsegg Regera, Lamborghini Aventador SV, Renault Sport R.S. 01, Rimac C_Two, TORINO DESIGN Super Sport
- Tier 5: 2018 McLaren X2, Arash AF10, Aspark Owl, Dodge Tomahawk, Mazzanti Evantra Millecavalli
- Tier 6: Apollo Intensa Emozione, Aston Martin Valhalla, McLaren MP4-31
Reasons for rank changes:
- Arash AF10 (Nerf) - It has terrible drifting. I had not realised how bad the drifting was, initially. It suffers on tracks like Sector 8.
- Devel Sixteen Prototype (Nerf) - Despite its performance being okay, its frame is too large and clunky.
- Ferrari FXX K (Nerf) - It lacks nitro efficiency and handling+drifting in comparison to the McLaren Senna.
- Lamborghini Sian FKP 37 (Nerf) - It lacks nitro efficiency and handling+drifting in comparison to the Lamborghini Centenario.
- Koenigsegg Agera RS (Nerf) - It has bad nitro efficiency, and its other stats are decent but not superb.
- Aspark Owl (Buff) - Its combination of good nitro efficiency and acceleration surely make it better than the Aston Martin Valhalla.
- Rimac C_Two (Buff) - When I had made the original list, I didn't know that the Rimac C_Two had good acceleration, so I had misranked it.
- McLaren 600LT (Buff) - It actually has only slightly worse nitro efficiency than the McLaren Senna, contrary to certain misleading reports.
- Bugatti Chiron Sport 110 Ans (Buff) - It has better acceleration and level 3 nitro than the classic Bugatti Chiron.
- Bugatti Centodieci (Buff) - No particular reason for this buff other than the fact that it seems to be vaguely similar to the Bugatti Divo.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 4:08:07 GMT
For proof that the McLaren Senna is the high Class S king of handling, just look at Asphalt 9, where the McLaren is either "a" or "the" handling king in that game, at the low end of Class S. The McLaren Senna has clearly been marketed as a handling king over there, so it shouldn't be too hard to believe that it is a handling king over here as well. Many players have doubted my claims about the Senna's handling, but that is mainly because it is very hard to obtain and upgrade, and few players have been able to test it out comprehensively. I've been using it for two years straight, and it is now one of my top two most-used cars in my in-game profile. I use the Senna in 95% of my Gauntlet races, alongside the Jesko and Centenario. Aside from its lack of acceleration and nitro efficiency compared to the Centenario and its lack of raw top speed (speed without nitro) compared to the Jesko, the Senna has king tier handling... transitioning between these three cars in Gauntlet mode is seamless. The Ferrari 488 Pista also has good handling in this regard, as does the TORINO DESIGN Super Sport, although I don't own it with full upgrades; though, both cars still have slightly worse handling than the Senna. The Pagani Huayra BC has good handling too, though it has some problems with drifting.
I showed a 20-second video of the McLaren Senna's handling on Rio de Janeiro to @shinnyshin (Tashinga), who is a frequent editor at the Asphalt Wiki and an admin of the "Asphalt Global" Facebook group, and they said that "there's no arguing there" simply from viewing that short video clip.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 12:38:46 GMT
I completely agree with the comments on the Senna. It is fabulous. If it had just a bit more TTS and slightly better Acc, it would contend with the Cent and Jesko for top car in the game. I Pro’d mine as soon as I could and haven’t looked back. I like it better than my Pro’d FXX K even though the latter has better Acc and very slightly better TTS.
It’s invaluable in Gantlet. I like it up anywhere I need top handling, like for the spirals in Sector 8 and Munich. So many times where it could turn inside opponents and pass them. 👍
Now about the Agera RS. Haven’t used it much in MP, but I’m loving it in gantlet. I know the NE and Acc are meh, but they are good enough to get by, esp when TB. I’ve learned the handling & drifting now and I’m very happy with it. Not Senna level, but better than the FXX K, IMHO.
I often place it next to the Senna in Gauntlet just in case the car transition occurs in a touchy handling section of track. The RS is good enough and smooth enough to take over for the Senna without losing the line through the turn. 👍
The RS is looking like a great car to have in my lineup. Would I move it up in the rankings here? Probably. But I either don’t own or haven’t Pro’d many of the more recent festival cars, so I can’t say for sure if the RS deserves to sit next to them. All I can say is I did ok in the MP TLE with the RS. But that’s not saying much. That race was almost more about luck than skill anyway. 🤣
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 13:45:36 GMT
Also, I know this topic id focused on the top cars in S class, but I think the bottom of S class needs a bit of attention as well. What do we think about the Terzo.
I finally Pro’d mine and I have to say that, at it’s rank it is almost flawless. It does not seem to have any weaknesses. It’s only real competition are the GT 2017 and the Beast X and I think the Terzo is better than both of them in pretty much every way. Or if it gets bad MM and one of the 1820 rank cars (Vulcan, Nemesis, etc..) give it a challenge. I don’t have the Trevita though; so, that may be competitive, but based on the complete negativity of the A8 wiki comments, I’m not certain it is.
Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not saying the Terzo is OP and a sure win against the other cars around it. I’m just saying that it is simply without a weakness and is as good as or better (if only slightly) than the other cars at its rank in pretty much every way.
IMHO, if GL simply buffed its TTS (and changed nothing else) and pushed it up to the 1862 rank, it would be the top car in the game. Just my opinion. No research to back this up, but man I wish I had PRO’d this sooner. But I needed to get my top S class cars Pro’d first for use in Gauntlet and MP…
Anyhoo, has anyone given the research treatment to the Terzo like the other cars on this topic or the A class topic? Would be interesting to see.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 14:03:34 GMT
I completely agree with the comments on the Senna. It is fabulous. If it had just a bit more TTS and slightly better Acc, it would contend with the Cent and Jesko for top car in the game. I Pro’d mine as soon as I could and haven’t looked back. I like it better than my Pro’d FXX K even though the latter has better Acc and very slightly better TTS.... For some reason, the Senna and FXX K have identical speed in km/h, but the FXX K has 0.1 better speed in mph. I'm not sure how that works...
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 14:17:05 GMT
Also, I know this topic id focused on the top cars in S class, but I think the bottom of S class needs a bit of attention as well. What do we think about the Terzo. I finally Pro’d mine and I have to say that, at it’s rank it is almost flawless. It does not seem to have any weaknesses. It’s only real competition are the GT 2017 and the Beast X and I think the Terzo is better than both of them in pretty much every way. Or if it gets bad MM and one of the 1820 rank cars (Vulcan, Nemesis, etc..) give it a challenge. I don’t have the Trevita though; so, that may be competitive, but based on the complete negativity of the A8 wiki comments, I’m not certain it is. Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not saying the Terzo is OP and a sure win against the other cars around it. I’m just saying that it is simply without a weakness and is as good as or better (if only slightly) than the other cars at its rank in pretty much every way. IMHO, if GL simply buffed its TTS (and changed nothing else) and pushed it up to the 1862 rank, it would be the top car in the game. Just my opinion. No research to back this up, but man I wish I had PRO’d this sooner. But I needed to get my top S class cars Pro’d first for use in Gauntlet and MP… Anyhoo, has anyone given the research treatment to the Terzo like the other cars on this topic or the A class topic? Would be interesting to see. I don't own the Terzo, but I used to race against the Terzo in MP with the Ford GT 2017 and Rezvani Beast X, and it was nearly impossible to beat. It has perfect acceleration, nitro efficiency, speed (for its rank bracket), handling and drifting. It used to be the unquestioned king of high Class A, but when it moved to low Class S in mid-2020, people forgot about it and started saying that the Ford GT 2017 had returned to the throne. This was never really true, even though the Ford GT 2017 is technically the best Class A car. It simply cannot compete against the Terzo, and the Terzo is only five ranks higher, at the bottom of Class S. Regarding the Koenigsegg CCXR Trevita, I own it at 5555-1313. From what I can tell, it has decent handling, drifting, nitro efficiency and speed. However, it has noob acceleration... not competitive at all. I'm not sure exactly what its acceleration is, but it's nowhere near the level of the Terzo, Ford GT 2017, Rezvani Beast X, Ferrari 812 Superfast, Lamborghini Aventador SVJ, and TRION NEMESIS.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 14:26:39 GMT
... Now about the Agera RS. Haven’t used it much in MP, but I’m loving it in gantlet. I know the NE and Acc are meh, but they are good enough to get by, esp when TB. I’ve learned the handling & drifting now and I’m very happy with it. Not Senna level, but better than the FXX K, IMHO. I often place it next to the Senna in Gauntlet just in case the car transition occurs in a touchy handling section of track. The RS is good enough and smooth enough to take over for the Senna without losing the line through the turn. 👍 The RS is looking like a great car to have in my lineup. Would I move it up in the rankings here? Probably. But I either don’t own or haven’t Pro’d many of the more recent festival cars, so I can’t say for sure if the RS deserves to sit next to them. All I can say is I did ok in the MP TLE with the RS. But that’s not saying much. That race was almost more about luck than skill anyway. 🤣 The Agera RS has noob nitro efficiency. This is the main factor that I was considering when ranking it against the other cars in high Class S. Most high Class S vehicles have better nitro efficiency than the Agera RS, even including the Renault Sport R.S. 01. The BXR Bailey Blade GT1 Special Edition has nearly identical nitro efficiency to the Agera RS, and the Aston Martin Valhalla seems to have worse nitro efficiency by a small margin. The McLaren MP4-31 has far worse nitro efficiency, and the 2018 McLaren X2 has similar nitro efficiency. The Mazzanti Evantra Millecavalli has slightly better nitro efficiency. The Agera RS would be a very good car if it had better nitro efficiency, not necessarily at the level of the Lamborghini Centenario, but just at the level of the McLaren Senna or Ferrari FXX K. The Agera RS's advantage in raw top speed (top speed without nitro) is not strong enough to mitigate its lack of nitro efficiency. Its handling and drifting are really good, so it can be useful as a backup car in Gauntlet, but only in situations where its poor nitro efficiency won't be such a huge handicap.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 14:39:37 GMT
I completely agree with the comments on the Senna. It is fabulous. If it had just a bit more TTS and slightly better Acc, it would contend with the Cent and Jesko for top car in the game. I Pro’d mine as soon as I could and haven’t looked back. I like it better than my Pro’d FXX K even though the latter has better Acc and very slightly better TTS.... For some reason, the Senna and FXX K have identical speed in km/h, but the FXX K has 0.1 better speed in mph. I'm not sure how that works... I think rounding error is larger for mph. So, a speed of .40 kph = .24 mph and you would display .4 kph or .2 mph. But .41 kph = .25 mph and with rounding might be displayed as .4 kph and .3 mph. So, perhaps that accounts for it. But getting back to the cars specifically, I’m seeing the exact same speeds for TS and Nitro with either kph or mph. Dunno where I got it in my head that they were different. Maybe I’m remembering a post from someone or just mis-remembering because the FXX K has a higher rank and that usually means higher TTS. I could have sworn the FXX K had a faster TTS, but that isn’t what the game stats list no matter the units… 😜 So, really you choose between Acc or Handling+NE when comparing the two. I usually pick the Senna, unless I can’t use my Cent as a starter car in Gauntlet for some reason… 👍
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 14:47:27 GMT
Also, I know this topic id focused on the top cars in S class, but I think the bottom of S class needs a bit of attention as well. What do we think about the Terzo. I finally Pro’d mine and I have to say that, at it’s rank it is almost flawless. It does not seem to have any weaknesses. It’s only real competition are the GT 2017 and the Beast X and I think the Terzo is better than both of them in pretty much every way. Or if it gets bad MM and one of the 1820 rank cars (Vulcan, Nemesis, etc..) give it a challenge. I don’t have the Trevita though; so, that may be competitive, but based on the complete negativity of the A8 wiki comments, I’m not certain it is. Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not saying the Terzo is OP and a sure win against the other cars around it. I’m just saying that it is simply without a weakness and is as good as or better (if only slightly) than the other cars at its rank in pretty much every way. IMHO, if GL simply buffed its TTS (and changed nothing else) and pushed it up to the 1862 rank, it would be the top car in the game. Just my opinion. No research to back this up, but man I wish I had PRO’d this sooner. But I needed to get my top S class cars Pro’d first for use in Gauntlet and MP… Anyhoo, has anyone given the research treatment to the Terzo like the other cars on this topic or the A class topic? Would be interesting to see. I don't own the Terzo, but I used to race against the Terzo in MP with the Ford GT 2017 and Rezvani Beast X, and it was nearly impossible to beat. It has perfect acceleration, nitro efficiency, speed (for its rank bracket), handling and drifting. It used to be the unquestioned king of high Class A, but when it moved to low Class S in mid-2020, people forgot about it and started saying that the Ford GT 2017 had returned to the throne. This was never really true, even though the Ford GT 2017 is technically the best Class A car. It simply cannot compete against the Terzo, and the Terzo is only five ranks higher, at the bottom of Class S. Regarding the Koenigsegg CCXR Trevita, I own it at 5555-1313. From what I can tell, it has decent handling, drifting, nitro efficiency and speed. However, it has noob acceleration... not competitive at all. I'm not sure exactly what its acceleration is, but it's nowhere near the level of the Terzo, Ford GT 2017, Rezvani Beast X, Ferrari 812 Superfast, Lamborghini Aventador SVJ, and TRION NEMESIS. Yeppers. This is what I’m seeing as well. The Terzo is not like the old AR8SE which was waaaay OP, but it is just about as perfect a car in A8 as has ever been. If it was still in A class, no one would care about the GT 2017 vs Beast X debate… lol. I love my max/pro GT 2017, but I will choose the Terzo over it every time if I want the best chance to win.
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Post by oldman65 on Aug 24, 2021 14:59:16 GMT
... Now about the Agera RS. Haven’t used it much in MP, but I’m loving it in gantlet. I know the NE and Acc are meh, but they are good enough to get by, esp when TB. I’ve learned the handling & drifting now and I’m very happy with it. Not Senna level, but better than the FXX K, IMHO. I often place it next to the Senna in Gauntlet just in case the car transition occurs in a touchy handling section of track. The RS is good enough and smooth enough to take over for the Senna without losing the line through the turn. 👍 The RS is looking like a great car to have in my lineup. Would I move it up in the rankings here? Probably. But I either don’t own or haven’t Pro’d many of the more recent festival cars, so I can’t say for sure if the RS deserves to sit next to them. All I can say is I did ok in the MP TLE with the RS. But that’s not saying much. That race was almost more about luck than skill anyway. 🤣 The Agera RS has noob nitro efficiency. This is the main factor that I was considering when ranking it against the other cars in high Class S. Most high Class S vehicles have better nitro efficiency than the Agera RS, even including the Renault Sport R.S. 01. The BXR Bailey Blade GT1 Special Edition has nearly identical nitro efficiency to the Agera RS, and the Aston Martin Valhalla seems to have worse nitro efficiency by a small margin. The McLaren MP4-31 has far worse nitro efficiency, and the 2018 McLaren X2 has similar nitro efficiency. The Mazzanti Evantra Millecavalli has slightly better nitro efficiency. The Agera RS would be a very good car if it had better nitro efficiency, not necessarily at the level of the Lamborghini Centenario, but just at the level of the McLaren Senna or Ferrari FXX K. The Agera RS's advantage in raw top speed (top speed without nitro) is not strong enough to mitigate its lack of nitro efficiency. Its handling and drifting are really good, so it can be useful as a backup car in Gauntlet, but only in situations where its poor nitro efficiency won't be such a huge handicap. That is fair. I guess I just like the handling more and don’t think the NE is so bad, esp with TB. (but that’s probably confirmation bias because it is my new shiny thing and I paid real money for it.) Though, I have to say I spent real money on the FXX K as well to reach T25 and get the most kit cards I could for it. (Senna as well) No WCs to convert back in those days. 😝 Had to get as many cards as possible in the Festivals. Anyway, I like the RS and often use it before my FXX K. Higher TS and better handling/drifting means less lost speed in the twisties and better chance to stay off the walls, which can be an issue with the top S class cars on some tracks… And I need all the help I can get… 🤪 I think I’m also less sensitive to NE issues because of my love for my RX8SE which is almost flawless at its rank except for its horrible NE. So, I’m used to compensating for bad NE with TB as a trade off to use and otherwise good car. 😁
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Aug 24, 2021 16:18:06 GMT
For some reason, the Senna and FXX K have identical speed in km/h, but the FXX K has 0.1 better speed in mph. I'm not sure how that works... I think rounding error is larger for mph. So, a speed of .40 kph = .24 mph and you would display .4 kph or .2 mph. But .41 kph = .25 mph and with rounding might be displayed as .4 kph and .3 mph. So, perhaps that accounts for it. But getting back to the cars specifically, I’m seeing the exact same speeds for TS and Nitro with either kph or mph. Dunno where I got it in my head that they were different. Maybe I’m remembering a post from someone or just mis-remembering because the FXX K has a higher rank and that usually means higher TTS. I could have sworn the FXX K had a faster TTS, but that isn’t what the game stats list no matter the units… 😜 So, really you choose between Acc or Handling+NE when comparing the two. I usually pick the Senna, unless I can’t use my Cent as a starter car in Gauntlet for some reason… 👍 The FXX K has 0.1 mph over the Senna in nitro speed, rather than in raw top speed. The Senna is 31.5 mph, whereas the FXX K is 31.6 mph. However, in km/h, both cars are 50.8 km/h. Overall, the FXX K is one rank higher than the Senna, at S1861 vs S1860.
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