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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 18, 2021 5:10:55 GMT
Another comment: Even though the TVR Sagaris was nerfed from Class B to Class D, it did have terrible performance at its rank (at the time of its nerf), so its nerf could be justified in the same way as the SLK SE's nerf. In the past, the TVR Sagaris was an MP king in terms of having a high speed at a low rank, but it always had abysmal drifting.
Hopefully, this reasoning might be able to save the TVR Sagaris SE from a potential nerf.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 18, 2021 14:29:21 GMT
Another comment: Even though the TVR Sagaris was nerfed from Class B to Class D, it did have terrible performance at its rank (at the time of its nerf), so its nerf could be justified in the same way as the SLK SE's nerf. In the past, the TVR Sagaris was an MP king in terms of having a high speed at a low rank, but it always had abysmal drifting. Hopefully, this reasoning might be able to save the TVR Sagaris SE from a potential nerf. I hope so as well. But all the SE cars seem to be falling down to D class. Shame really, and I can’t understand why this is. It’s like some GL employee that designed them all got fired and his replacement is destroying them as revenge. No other logic fits. And we are stuck with poor cars that were once great.😞
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Post by anotherdriver on Sept 21, 2021 15:06:50 GMT
I find that my Pro TVR Sagaris SE does not handle as sharp as it did before it was Pro. Maybe I was expecting too much.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 21, 2021 15:24:00 GMT
I find that my Pro TVR Sagaris SE does not handle as sharp as it did before it was Pro. Maybe I was expecting too much. Personally, I really like the TVR Sagaris SE's handling, but yes, I think it may require harder steering than what one might think. It's not like the Mercedes-Benz Biome.
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Post by anotherdriver on Sept 21, 2021 16:36:44 GMT
I find that my Pro TVR Sagaris SE does not handle as sharp as it did before it was Pro. Maybe I was expecting too much. Personally, I really like the TVR Sagaris SE's handling, but yes, I think it may require harder steering than what one might think. It's not like the Mercedes-Benz Biome. Yes, it requires harder steering than I expected. I guess I have to get used to it again.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 21, 2021 16:38:38 GMT
Personally, I really like the TVR Sagaris SE's handling, but yes, I think it may require harder steering than what one might think. It's not like the Mercedes-Benz Biome. Yes, it requires harder steering than I expected. I guess I have to get used to it again. With skill, the TVR Sagaris SE is a powerful weapon, very much like the former Rezvanis. It is more manoeuvrable than most other Class A cars, but it takes practice to make full use of its abilities.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 21, 2021 23:42:22 GMT
Yes, it requires harder steering than I expected. I guess I have to get used to it again. With skill, the TVR Sagaris SE is a powerful weapon, very much like the former Rezvanis. It is more manoeuvrable than most other Class A cars, but it takes practice to make full use of its abilities. Love my PRO TVRSE. Call it my crazy car. anotherdriver I think the steering loss you are seeing is because of the speed gains. I’ve always felt that more speed, esp TS, causes drifting/handling to be slightly less sensitive. That said, to me, the TVRSE still has very sensitive, responsive handling. I oversteer often if I’m not careful, but that’s part of the fun. This thing darting around the track with its unique angled, vertical, dual exhaust is just pure joy. 😁
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Post by anotherdriver on Sept 22, 2021 11:22:18 GMT
oldman65, your theory is correct. Unboosted, I was able to do all the maneuvers I love the car for. Thanks, guys. Now I have to get used to the handling with TK.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 23, 2021 14:38:27 GMT
Despite the Corvette ZR1's superb acceleration, I've found it to have subpar performance overall, mainly due to handling and drifting issues. I only have the Zerouno at full PRO in A8, but in A8+, I’ve acquired and PRO’d the Stradale, Zerouno, Evija and ZR1. I’m pleasantly surprised by the ZR1. That and the Zerouno are my favorites at that rank grouping. Then comes the Stradale which is easy to drive, but trails the others in acc and TTS. I’m not liking the Evija right now. I don’t like the handling right now. I turn in very inconsistent laps with it. I need more practice with it, but right now I place it last in the bunch for me. Obviously, other drivers differ on which cars work best for them. So, YMMV. Prolly, my ranking right now is: 1. ZR1 2. Zerouno 3. Stradale 4. Evija Not based on objective statistics. Just based on which get me faster lap times consistently. 👍
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 23, 2021 16:06:35 GMT
Despite the Corvette ZR1's superb acceleration, I've found it to have subpar performance overall, mainly due to handling and drifting issues. I only have the Zerouno at full PRO in A8, but in A8+, I’ve acquired and PRO’d the Stradale, Zerouno, Evija and ZR1. I’m pleasantly surprised by the ZR1. That and the Zerouno are my favorites at that rank grouping. Then comes the Stradale which is easy to drive, but trails the others in acc and TTS. I’m not liking the Evija right now. I don’t like the handling right now. I turn in very inconsistent laps with it. I need more practice with it, but right now I place it last in the bunch for me. Obviously, other drivers differ on which cars work best for them. So, YMMV. Prolly, my ranking right now is: 1. ZR1 2. Zerouno 3. Stradale 4. Evija Not based on objective statistics. Just based on which get me faster lap times consistently. 👍 In A8, I have the following A1770 cars at MAX+PRO or full-PRO: - [A1773] McLaren Mercedes MP4-25
- [A1772] Chevrolet Corvette C7 ZR1
- [A1772] Ferrari LaFerrari Aperta
- [A1772] Lotus Evija
- [A1770] Ferrari SF90 Stradale
- [A1770] Ferrari F8 Tributo
- [A1770] Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand Sport Vitesse
- [A1770] Lamborghini Veneno
- [A1770] Pagani Zonda R
- [A1770] Spada Codatronca TSS
- [A1769] Porsche 918 Spyder with Weissach Package
- [A1739/A1769] Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
[A1767] Rezvani Beast Alpha asphalt8.freeforums.net/thread/148/sector-8-series-classAccording to this thread that I created on May 12, 2021, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 performs worse than the Stradale, Tributo and 918 Spyder on Sector 8 when triple-boosted. The LaFerrari Aperta and former Rezvani Beast Alpha also perform better than all of these cars on Sector 8. The Veyron performs the worst out of this bunch. The MP4-25 also disappoints. At the time, I did not have the Evija at full-PRO, and the Veneno, Zonda and Codatronca had not been buffed yet. Meanwhile, I've kept my Enzo Ferrari at an MP tune (5555-5055), but I know that it performs terribly all around, especially due to its flimsiness and its ease of wrecking or getting knocked down. It is unsurprising that the Aperta performs better than the Stradale, Tributo and 918 Spyder on Sector 8. This can simply be attributed to its superior total top speed. Meanwhile, the former Beast Alpha also performed exceptionally well due to its extremely good handling and drifting. The MP4-25 had lacklustre performance due to its skiddiness and the lack of versatility in its handling that results from this. The Veyron's performance is actually pretty good in general, especially due to its excellent acceleration, but it has trouble dealing with the Sector 8 spiral at the end of the track due to its moderately wide drifting radius. The major outlier among this group is the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. One would expect that this car would have the best lap-time on Sector 8 among A1770 cars, but alas, it has one of the worst lap-times. It has superior acceleration to most other A1770 cars, and it also has a slightly higher total top speed than most other A1770 cars. The area where this car fails must be drifting. I believe that its handling is decent, but there is something wrong with its drifting radius or drifting sensitivity. It was unable to handling the Sector 8 spiral as effectively as many of its competitors. The Stradale, Tributo, 918 Spyder and Aperta all have superior drifting to the Corvette ZR1, which is why all four cars overtake it in the spiral, despite presumably being slightly behind the Corvette ZR1 at the beginning of the race and throughout most of the rest of the race up until the final spiral. It also goes without saying that the former Beast Alpha had far superior handling and drifting to the Corvette ZR1.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 23, 2021 16:23:22 GMT
oldman65 - In terms of nitro efficiency, among the A1770 cars before the Tributo's debut (i.e. excluding the Tributo, Elva, SC20, SCV12, Veneno, Zonda and Codatronca), the Lotus Evija had by far the best nitro efficiency among the bunch, followed closely by the Ferrari SF90 Stradale and followed distantly by the Italdesign Zerouno. Most A1770 cars have mediocre nitro efficiency, on par with the Koenigsegg Agera RS in high Class S. Originally, the Evija and Stradale were the only true exceptions to this rule, whilst the Zerouno was a partial exception to the rule. The newly-added Tributo, Essenza and SC20 all have good nitro efficiency, breaking the trend among A1770 cars of typically having mediocre nitro efficiency. The recently buffed Zonda also has good nitro efficiency. Meanwhile, the Elva, Veneno and Codatronca all lean towards the mediocre nitro efficiency range. I haven't personally measured the nitro efficiencies of the new cars, though I have a good feel for the Tributo's nitro efficiency. Now that I've pretty much finished analysing Class S, I think I might focus more on Class A now. I should be able to measure the nitro efficiencies of most of the A1770 cars to a highly accurate degree. I do not own the SC20, Elva or SCV12, but I recall that I recorded footage of their nitro efficiencies during the earlier round of anniversary TLEs before the Eight Anniversary Update launched. I never analysed this footage, but I should be able to retrieve it (it might be hard to find among a sea of recordings/screenshots) and analyse the data that it contains. Anyway, prior to the era following the debut of the Tributo, the Evija was a must-have in the A1770 range due to its superior nitro efficiency to all of its competitors, and often by a significant margin. The Stradale was also valuable for its above-average nitro efficiency. EDIT: According to the current version of the Nitro Efficiency Index, the LaFerrari Aperta also has good nitro efficiency. I haven't used the car enough or analysed it closely enough to know whether this is true. It probably does have better nitro efficiency than the Corvette ZR1.
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 23, 2021 16:51:37 GMT
Ronan🌻, I agree with what you posted. My impressions are for my skill alone. Not objective. I find the ZR1 to be superior to the Evija; because, I cannot consistently steer the Evija. I constantly miss targets and cannot judge my lines properly through turn with it. In A8+ there is a Quick Race mode very similar to the Quick Solo in A8. There you can choose any car, any track, any mode and race them for fun and to collect Credit Coins which have been randomly placed on the track replacing 8 nitro bottles. Each coin is worth 500 Credits. It is just like the festival coins used to be. And it is a good way to test your skill with the cars; because, you need to accurately drive them to pick up the coins. With the ZR1, Zerouno and Stradale, coin collection is easy. With the Evija, I miss many coins; because, the thing acts skittish and often doesn’t track where I expect it to. I haven’t figured out yet how to drive it consistently. Maybe after more practice, I will figure it out. In the meantime, I’m turning in faster, more consistent laps with the other cars. Definitely not finding fault with your rankings. I think they are completely accurate as an objective evaluation. I was just commenting on my personal impressions of the cars. And I definitely haven’t used any of them save the Zerouno in MP. I cannot comment on the performance of the Stradale, Evija or ZR1 in that mode; because, I do not have them upgraded in A8. The Zerouno was great. Very competitive. With fair MM, I only ever lost when I ran a worse race than my competition. The race outcome was determined by skill; as, it should be. I suspect I would do about as well with the other 3 cars. A8+ doesn’t have MP yet; so, I cannot test there either. ✌️😷
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 23, 2021 18:16:48 GMT
oldman65 - My measurements in this thread so far are not super accurate. This is due to a variety of reasons. Firstly, there is a low demand for this content (in comparison to Class S analysis). Secondly, the A1770 cars tend to be useless in Classic Multiplayer due to the presence of the A1800 Ford GT 2017 (and the former A1798 Rezvani Beast X); the A1770 cars are also less useful than the S1860 cars in general, e.g. for Gauntlet mode, Master Multiplayer, Time-Limited Events, etc. Thirdly, and this is the most important reason, I do not own as many Class A cars at MAX+PRO in comparison to Class S cars (proportionally speaking). I have for a long time been unable to provide a comprehensive analysis of Class A singlehandedly, unlike with Class S, where I've been able to provide a large volume of analysis on my own, filling in the gaps with external research where necessary. As you can see from my posts above, I am missing several of the A1770 cars at MAX+PRO or full-PRO, notably the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari (I have it at 5555-5055), Italdesign Zerouno (I have it at 8181), McLaren Elva, Lamborghini SC20 and Lamborghini Essenza SCV12. Additionally, outside of the A1770 range, I am missing several cars both above and below at MAX+PRO, such as the Aston Martin One-77 (I have it at 5555-2222), McLaren 720S (I have it at 5555-3032), Ferrari 812 Superfast (I don't own it at all), Mosler GT3 (I don't own it at all), McLaren 675LT (I own it at 1515-2222) and Jaguar XJ220S (I own it at 1111-0000), so on and so forth. EDIT: I've also actually lost some of my original research, such as the research I conducted on the nitro efficiencies of A1770 cars over a year ago. I think this is because I had written my analyses in the comments sections of various Wiki articles, especially in update articles, resulting in this research getting buried soon afterwards, never to be found again. Furthermore, I've just told players to MP-tune any Legacy cars at A1770 and fully upgrade any Festival cars at A1770. Based on the general uselessness of having a vast number of A1770 cars at MAX+PRO (in comparison to S1860 cars, which are invaluable for Gauntlet mode), and based on the uselessness of most B1680 cars at MAX+PRO, it makes sense to use Legacy cars at A1770 to prey on MAX+PRO B1680 cars by tuning them low, to around A1700. Meanwhile, there is no shortage of Festival cars at A1770 to use in place of Legacy cars at A1770.
Here's a recent video of the performance of the Ferrari SF90 Stradale in Classic Multiplayer:
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Post by oldman65 on Sept 23, 2021 19:52:50 GMT
Ronan🌻, Thx for the info and the video. From the cars you mention at lower than PRO tunes, I have the following at full PRO: 1. Ferrari Enzo Ferrari - I kinda like this one. It handles and drifts well for me. I like it when it does that 3 wheel drift thing in the Sector 8 spiral where it lifts the front inside wheel in the air. 😁 Not an MP car, acc and speed are only meh… 2. Italdesign Zerouno - I had this one at a useless upper midrange tune for a long time, but decided to burn up a bunch of PWCs that were piling up in my inventory. I’m glad I did. This is a very good ride. It is competitive in MP. Very easy to drive and predictable handling and drifting. Gives up a very slight TTS advantage to the Evija and ZR1, but not enough for them to overpower you. 3. McLaren 675LT - A relic of the past. It was once a king and then was a farming giant when its M15 race was Dubai Rev unplugged with a very high payout. This car paid for almost my entire garage and upgrades forever, until I PRO’d my MP4-31 and switched to farming in its Mclaren Legends San Diego Harbor race which had even higher payouts and faster lap times because …. MP4-31…. duh… 😜 These days the 675LT is just a good all-round car that is fun to drive, but is no longer useful for MP or farming. Just a nostalgia trip when you take it out of the garage for a spin…
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Sept 24, 2021 11:54:21 GMT
oldman65 - I've added some new nitro efficiency measurements to the main post. Nitro Efficiency Index - A1770 groupClass A cars ranked according to nitro efficiency (by MMS): (Note: Vehicles are listed in alphabetical order in their respective tiers, rather than by performance.) Key: Aqua entries are measured by Ronan MMS from the Free Asphalt Forum.
- Tier 1 [5.5/10/14.5]: Lotus Evija (5.3/10.2/14.7)
- Tier 2 [6/10.5/14.5]: Ferrari SF90 Stradale (5.8/10.6/14.7)
- Tier 3 [9/11/14.5]: Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand Sport Vitesse (8.8/11.2/14.5)
- Tier 4 [6.5/11/15]: Ferrari F8 Tributo (6.3/10.9/15.2)
- Tier 5.1 [5.5/11/15.5]: Pagani Zonda R (5.3/11.0/15.4)
- Tier 5.2 [7.5/11/15.5]: Ferrari LaFerrari Aperta (7.3/11.1/15.4)
- Tier 6 [7/11.5/15]: Chevrolet Corvette C7 ZR1 (7.0/11.4/15.2)
- Tier 7 [6/11.5/15.5]: Lamborghini Veneno (5.8/11.4/15.4)
- Tier 8.1 [6.5/11.5/16]: Spada Codatronca TSS (6.3/11.6/15.9)
- Tier 8.2 [8/11.5/16]: Porsche 918 Spyder with Weissach Package (8.0/11.5/15.9)
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