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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 9:14:52 GMT
OH What ? Days ago You was saying Nerfing / Screwing with cars was " Good for the game " Now " I hope they don't get nerfed " The hypocrisy They coming for cars you care about & now you hope they ain't Screwed wit !!! WTF ? Flip Flop much ? A much to much !!! What a wicked web we weave , When we try to deceive !!! Now your views of screwing with cats cars are changing when they come for yours !! Bruh For your sake I hope they don't Ruin , Trash , Screw with your cars ! Like I've said for years On Point 😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣
yup, real talk, the common factor of R8SE bashers,
even noobs weren't complaining anymore since they were given the ofppotunity to buy it from time to time but older noobs badly needed to see it go away for a reason 😉 😌 🙄
😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣
Yeah bro Imagine if MookCo Never screwed with anything ! X2 wouldn't be banana slip,n into every wall , My AIE Black Widow would still be on the attack , Acura Evo be running over everything , Wait it still be running over erything Arash wouldn't be Atrashed ! A Nemesis still be a Nemisis ! Beast be doing beast stuff , Elite tunning be a king , I'd be in fast door to door dog fights with my Tron SE ! Nope eveything,s the same Everyone's Elite , Everyone gets a trophy ! Every cars identical Unless you spending cash for all the fancy messtival S classes sian , Fkk , Jesko & such Then your safe you can have a little fancy , That's safe from nerfing ! Bro the X2 carrot KD me more times than anything dozens of times a day I never said a word ! Picked myself up & kept racing ,grinding , hustling ! Bring back the beasts , Bring back some Fancy ! Let a diamond sparkle 💎 👍 Not these bull💩 cars that be missing windshields & their roofs 😂💀👻
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Post by escanor29 on Jul 17, 2021 16:07:05 GMT
😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣
yup, real talk, the common factor of R8SE bashers,
even noobs weren't complaining anymore since they were given the ofppotunity to buy it from time to time but older noobs badly needed to see it go away for a reason 😉 😌 🙄
😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣
Yeah bro Imagine if MookCo Never screwed with anything ! X2 wouldn't be banana slip,n into every wall , My AIE Black Widow would still be on the attack , Acura Evo be running over everything , Wait it still be running over erything Arash wouldn't be Atrashed ! A Nemesis still be a Nemisis ! Beast be doing beast stuff , Elite tunning be a king , I'd be in fast door to door dog fights with my Tron SE ! Nope eveything,s the same Everyone's Elite , Everyone gets a trophy ! Every cars identical Unless you spending cash for all the fancy messtival S classes sian , Fkk , Jesko & such Then your safe you can have a little fancy , That's safe from nerfing ! Bro the X2 carrot KD me more times than anything dozens of times a day I never said a word ! Picked myself up & kept racing ,grinding , hustling ! Bring back the beasts , Bring back some Fancy ! Let a diamond sparkle 💎 👍 Not these bull💩 cars that be missing windshields & their roofs 😂💀👻 First of all, excuse me if this is not very well translated…; LT43, you are paradox. I had the same feeling as Neil when I read you. You can't say " good for the game" at time T then " I hope they don't nerf her" at another time T + 1 ..... We're not " angry" and " sitting right on our couch" you know. We're not newbies either. Rest assured.... The very idea of the nerve is an ABERRATION.So I understand his anger when I hear you say that "the nerve is good for the game". I even thought you were joking at first… ..but no. Remember that: The original principle of A8: - investment of a player in Fucs, techs etc. or in real money to find the best rank of his car; Duration: months. Dramatic consequence of a nerve: - investment reduced to nothing. I remind you, the problem is not whether the AR SE was still good. The problem is to challenge the nerve…. Your nostalgia for the past is a mess. Do you also want to talk about the nerve of Terzio relegated to the lowest rank of the S a few years ago? Do you want to talk about the Devel modifications too? No ... probably because it was to your advantage ... No, a little serious in this story. The nerve is not good. Good for GL may be, but not AT ALL good for ALL gamers. And as the nerve is in tune with the times at GL to make us “spit out” our inventories and tear us apart (because they like it), it would be more judicious for everyone that they nerfed in this case “useless” cars. In the game which would compete with these best one, remaining them, in their place.
Simply…. --> GL prefers to destroy our house of cards to piss us off !! And you agree with that: I don't understand you, no. So, to conclude: your ideas are generally good and you are interesting to read. But there, you sink…. please stop your paradoxes for the happiness of all here.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 16:22:41 GMT
Neil LT43 WⓄⓄpsy escanor29I think we agreed to discuss this topic in the "nerf/buff discussions" thread. It has been repeatedly brought up here and it's clogging up the thread.
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Post by escanor29 on Jul 17, 2021 16:29:14 GMT
Neil LT43 WⓄⓄpsy escanor29 I think we agreed to discuss this topic in the "nerf/buff discussions" thread. It has been repeatedly brought up here and it's clogging up the thread. Yes too; fully agree. But we must not start talking about it in this case or let the carpet come back. We must then expect answers from us .... Please delete my post if it bothers you then. I don't see any problem Ronan
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 16:38:57 GMT
Moved from the Unofficial Information Channel:
Long story short, the AR8SE was nerfed because it was too powerful in the C1410 rank bracket. I had mentioned this only within days of the announcement of the upcoming AR8SE nerf, I believe, in this very thread. I said that the new KTM X-Bow GTX car didn't stand a chance against a low-tuned AR8SE, even a lower-ranked one (e.g. in the high-1300s). I was correct. I knew this from using the Hot Wheels Bone Shaker against the AR8SE in the 1410s. The Bone Shaker is only slightly worse than the X-Bow GTX at MAX+PRO. Anyway, GL wasn't able to construct new rank bracket in C1410 without obliterating the AR8SE, so that's what they chose to do. The AR8SE simply had too powerful acceleration (especially in the 1410s) and too strong nitro efficiency in comparison to Class C cars in the 1410s. GL could have alternatively chosen to make the AR8SE ULTIMATE at B1672, which I think would have been a much more welcome development by all players across the spectrum. Quite frankly, the D1231 nerf was retarded. It is quite possibly one of GL's worst decisions ever, reminiscent of their original decision to introduce the AR8SE to the game in the first place, back in early-2018, shutting down Multiplayer under the 1700s entirely, with its atomic bomb levels of performance in all areas.
I honestly don't think the AR8SE will ever belong in Class D. It just doesn't look right. It should have stayed in Class B, with performance changed to be closer to the NSX Evo, Clubsport, BMW M4 GTS, and company.
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Post by Harry on Jul 17, 2021 16:44:11 GMT
Neil LT43 WⓄⓄpsy escanor29 I think we agreed to discuss this topic in the "nerf/buff discussions" thread. It has been repeatedly brought up here and it's clogging up the thread. Yes too; fully agree. But we must not start talking about it in this case or let the carpet come back. We must then expect answers from us .... Please delete my post if it bothers you then. I don't see any problem Ronan No need to delete anything but lets try to keep things tidy. Leaked info and unofficial stuff here, plus discussion about it. Buffing and Nerfing has become such a big topic it's got it's own threat. Edit: What did you just say Ronan?
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Post by WⓄⓄpsy on Jul 17, 2021 16:49:02 GMT
Long story short, the AR8SE was nerfed because it was too powerful in the C1410 rank bracket. I had mentioned this only within days of the announcement of the upcoming AR8SE nerf, I believe, in this very thread. I said that the new KTM X-Bow GTX car didn't stand a chance against a low-tuned AR8SE, even a lower-ranked one (e.g. in the high-1300s). I was correct. I knew this from using the Hot Wheels Bone Shaker against the AR8SE in the 1410s. The Bone Shaker is only slightly worse than the X-Bow GTX at MAX+PRO. Anyway, GL wasn't able to construct new rank bracket in C1410 without obliterating the AR8SE, so that's what they chose to do. The AR8SE simply had too powerful acceleration (especially in the 1410s) and too strong nitro efficiency in comparison to Class C cars in the 1410s. GL could have alternatively chosen to make the AR8SE ULTIMATE at B1672, which I think would have been a much more welcome development by all players across the spectrum. Quite frankly, the D1231 nerf was retarded. It is quite possibly one of GL's worst decisions ever, reminiscent of their original decision to introduce the AR8SE to the game in the first place, back in early-2018, shutting down Multiplayer under the 1700s entirely, with its atomic bomb levels of performance in all areas. I honestly don't think the AR8SE will ever belong in Class D. It just doesn't look right. It should have stayed in Class B, with performance changed to be closer to the NSX Evo, Clubsport, BMW M4 GTS, and company. bruh.... ! ! !
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 16:49:43 GMT
Neil LT43 WⓄⓄpsy escanor29 I think we agreed to discuss this topic in the "nerf/buff discussions" thread. It has been repeatedly brought up here and it's clogging up the thread. Yes too; fully agree. But we must not start talking about it in this case or let the carpet come back. We must then expect answers from us .... Please delete my post if it bothers you then. I don't see any problem Ronan ;) I am mainly concerned due to the perceived hostility between players. People are clearly becoming very passionate about this subject very quickly. I myself was accused of being biased at one point, which I thought was a given (I never claimed that I wasn't biased). In any case, please try to maintain civility, not just for others' sakes, but also for your own sakes. Yelling at each other won't get us anywhere. Y'all need to direct your yelling at Shameloft. No one here has control over the direction of the game. Only they do.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 16:51:22 GMT
Long story short, the AR8SE was nerfed because it was too powerful in the C1410 rank bracket. I had mentioned this only within days of the announcement of the upcoming AR8SE nerf, I believe, in this very thread. I said that the new KTM X-Bow GTX car didn't stand a chance against a low-tuned AR8SE, even a lower-ranked one (e.g. in the high-1300s). I was correct. I knew this from using the Hot Wheels Bone Shaker against the AR8SE in the 1410s. The Bone Shaker is only slightly worse than the X-Bow GTX at MAX+PRO. Anyway, GL wasn't able to construct new rank bracket in C1410 without obliterating the AR8SE, so that's what they chose to do. The AR8SE simply had too powerful acceleration (especially in the 1410s) and too strong nitro efficiency in comparison to Class C cars in the 1410s. GL could have alternatively chosen to make the AR8SE ULTIMATE at B1672, which I think would have been a much more welcome development by all players across the spectrum. Quite frankly, the D1231 nerf was retarded. It is quite possibly one of GL's worst decisions ever, reminiscent of their original decision to introduce the AR8SE to the game in the first place, back in early-2018, shutting down Multiplayer under the 1700s entirely, with its atomic bomb levels of performance in all areas. I honestly don't think the AR8SE will ever belong in Class D. It just doesn't look right. It should have stayed in Class B, with performance changed to be closer to the NSX Evo, Clubsport, BMW M4 GTS, and company. bruh.... ! ! !
why you don't post this in nerf thread ? :D :D :D
I will move the discussion there, perhaps. In any case, my comment here is a direct continuation of my original comment from weeks ago. I originally brought up the AR8SE when the KTM X-Bow GTX was introduced.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 17:04:28 GMT
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Post by WⓄⓄpsy on Jul 17, 2021 18:19:04 GMT
imho they did another poor job if this was the true reason I gave a try to the nerfed Hommage in MP this week, 1410 is such a noob rank I'm not used to play, the car is competitive and as long as I was Triple Boosted and didn't meet cars at +1410 I won all races... until I finally meet Torq + Trezor TB at r1420/150 and that's when my awesome 1410 got destroyed, real bad... #nerf Torq+Trezor
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Post by escanor29 on Jul 17, 2021 19:14:56 GMT
Yes too; fully agree. But we must not start talking about it in this case or let the carpet come back. We must then expect answers from us .... Please delete my post if it bothers you then. I don't see any problem Ronan I am mainly concerned due to the perceived hostility between players. People are clearly becoming very passionate about this subject very quickly. I myself was accused of being biased at one point, which I thought was a given (I never claimed that I wasn't biased). In any case, please try to maintain civility, not just for others' sakes, but also for your own sakes. Yelling at each other won't get us anywhere. Y'all need to direct your yelling at Shameloft. No one here has control over the direction of the game. Only they do. I think it's complicated for you but in this case, do you have the possibility to transfer the conversations earlier? Because it’s a shame to close an important subject. Which is in my opinion the most important in the game: the nerf. Because I see no point in playing something that permanently undoes what you are building. So on the contrary, it is the central nerve of this game !! (no pun intended) : - On a beach, demolish the sand castle of a kid who took 4 hours to build it: he will cry and will go and build it elsewhere the next day. In any case, far from you…. - Take away his "Switch Life" from his kid before he has saved his game: he will curse you and play it back in secret, away from you…. - Modify A8 cars all the time, without consent and with impunity: you will hate GL… .and quit !!! My question Harry and Ronan is therefore simple: does a member have the possibility to transfer a post to answer it in the tab which is initially intended for him? Edit: You're right that "the unofficial information channel" should be kept succinct and get to the point. By the way, thank you Driver Funk and Ronan for your scoop….They are very very useful to all the community Thank's a lot and above all no hostility between us all; It's good to discuss I think and to disagree. And it's also normal that we don't all agree.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Jul 17, 2021 19:23:25 GMT
I am mainly concerned due to the perceived hostility between players. People are clearly becoming very passionate about this subject very quickly. I myself was accused of being biased at one point, which I thought was a given (I never claimed that I wasn't biased). In any case, please try to maintain civility, not just for others' sakes, but also for your own sakes. Yelling at each other won't get us anywhere. Y'all need to direct your yelling at Shameloft. No one here has control over the direction of the game. Only they do. I think it's complicated for you but in this case, do you have the possibility to transfer the conversations earlier? Because it’s a shame to close an important subject. Which is in my opinion the most important in the game: the nerf. Because I see no point in playing something that permanently undoes what you are building. So on the contrary, it is the central nerve of this game !! (no pun intended) : - On a beach, demolish the sand castle of a kid who took 4 hours to build it: he will cry and will go and build it elsewhere the next day. In any case, far from you…. - Take away his "Switch Life" from his kid before he has saved his game: he will curse you and play it back in secret, away from you…. - Modify A8 cars all the time, without consent and with impunity: you will hate GL… .and quit !!! My question Harry and Ronan is therefore simple: does a member have the possibility to transfer a post to answer it in the tab which is initially intended for him? Edit: You're right that "the unofficial information channel" should be kept succinct and get to the point. By the way, thank you Driver Funk and Ronan for your scoop….They are very very useful to all the community ;) Thank's a lot and above all no hostility between us all; It's good to discuss I think and to disagree. And it's also normal that we don't all agree. I can easily transfer messages. I've done so already, for previous messages in this thread.
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Post by LT43 on Jul 21, 2021 0:05:23 GMT
I don't know what the problem is. The ARSE is still a very strong car, overall really well balanced and fun to drive. All those players who lived by the ARSE can continue to do so ... it's still working great. It's isn't like they took a great car and made it worse compared to its competitors, like GL has done with so many other cars including many that I own. GL left it as a top car at its new rank.
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Post by LT43 on Jul 21, 2021 0:36:32 GMT
Yeah bro Imagine if MookCo Never screwed with anything ! X2 wouldn't be banana slip,n into every wall , My AIE Black Widow would still be on the attack , Acura Evo be running over everything , Wait it still be running over erything Arash wouldn't be Atrashed ! A Nemesis still be a Nemisis ! Beast be doing beast stuff , Elite tunning be a king , I'd be in fast door to door dog fights with my Tron SE ! Nope eveything,s the same Everyone's Elite , Everyone gets a trophy ! Every cars identical Unless you spending cash for all the fancy messtival S classes sian , Fkk , Jesko & such Then your safe you can have a little fancy , That's safe from nerfing ! Bro the X2 carrot KD me more times than anything dozens of times a day I never said a word ! Picked myself up & kept racing ,grinding , hustling ! Bring back the beasts , Bring back some Fancy ! Let a diamond sparkle 💎 👍 Not these bull💩 cars that be missing windshields & their roofs 😂💀👻 First of all, excuse me if this is not very well translated…; LT43, you are paradox. I had the same feeling as Neil when I read you. You can't say " good for the game" at time T then " I hope they don't nerf her" at another time T + 1 ..... We're not " angry" and " sitting right on our couch" you know. We're not newbies either. Rest assured.... The very idea of the nerve is an ABERRATION.So I understand his anger when I hear you say that "the nerve is good for the game". I even thought you were joking at first… ..but no. Remember that: The original principle of A8: - investment of a player in Fucs, techs etc. or in real money to find the best rank of his car; Duration: months. Dramatic consequence of a nerve: - investment reduced to nothing. I remind you, the problem is not whether the AR SE was still good. The problem is to challenge the nerve…. Your nostalgia for the past is a mess. Do you also want to talk about the nerve of Terzio relegated to the lowest rank of the S a few years ago? Do you want to talk about the Devel modifications too? No ... probably because it was to your advantage ... No, a little serious in this story. The nerve is not good. Good for GL may be, but not AT ALL good for ALL gamers. And as the nerve is in tune with the times at GL to make us “spit out” our inventories and tear us apart (because they like it), it would be more judicious for everyone that they nerfed in this case “useless” cars. In the game which would compete with these best one, remaining them, in their place.
Simply…. --> GL prefers to destroy our house of cards to piss us off !! And you agree with that: I don't understand you, no. So, to conclude: your ideas are generally good and you are interesting to read. But there, you sink…. please stop your paradoxes for the happiness of all here. I really haven't been following this thread or I would have replied sooner. I never suggested that the ARSE needed to be castrated. But I stand firm in that the ARSE has always been an aberration unlike any other car in A8. No other car had such dominance over such a wide rank range as the ARSE, and it has been too hard to get. People on the forum used to call it the Cheatron for good reason: it was GL-sanctioned cheating. No different that installing a cheat engine to give your car a winning hand. And not over a small rank range but over the entire range of the car, which was very wide. What was it? .. 800 to 1672? Or perhaps more? I don't recall. But it was ridiculous. If that's the car you needed to win races then you surely didn't have much skill. Why not just run solo races and beat down the AIs? No, I don't think all cars should be nerfed. Never said that nerfing in general was good for the game. Indeed, I would say only those that gave an unreasonable advantage and were not generally available in the store to purchase needed to be adjusted. I rarely used my ARSE and just dealt with the ones I ran into. But obviously there was an ongoing outcry by many about the ARSE, but not about other cars. That should tell you something.
I have advocated for a long time for an automated system that would adjust the ranks of all cars based on the win/loss ratio in MP, increasing the ranks of winning cars by 5 points each season and decreasing the ranks of losing cars by 5 points each season, without changing the cars characteristics. Before long, all cars would gravitate to a rank that correctly reflects the overall performance of each car. Fake speeds and the need to fix that used to be a common complaint on the old forum. But fake ranks are even worse. Leave the cars alone but adjust the ranks appropriately. No person can correctly set the ranks, it must be done by an ongoing automated process. You might call it nerfing but I call it correcting fake ranks.
After taking advantage of the Beast Alpha sale recently and getting the car much sooner than I thought I could, no I don't want GL to nerf it. But I assure you there is nothing OP about the Alpha. It is not a "problem" car. It's getting run over by every good car along the way while I'm tuning it. If it does get nerfed, I'll be disappointed, but I'm certainly not going to go apeshit about it just like I haven't gone apeshit about all my cars in the past that have been nerfed. There is nothing in common with between the ARSE and the Alpha.
I don't flip flop. I stand by my posts. They are consistent. The ARSE needed to be dealt with, certainly not like it was, but it was the only real problem car in the game. Mine was nerfed too, just remember that. No, I don't think that willy-nilly nerfing of cars in A8 is a good thing.
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