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Post by Toyota - Destroyer of Gauntlet on Dec 28, 2023 21:34:52 GMT
Based on the Class S cars that you listed, here is how they rank against each other and how they are useful: - Faraday Future FFZERO1 --> This car is extremely versatile and useful on every track (excellent speed recovery)
- Koenigsegg One:1 --> This car is useful on every track and should not be underestimated (above-average raw top speed)
- Lamborghini Centenario --> This car is very reliable (except for skid/wreck), but it doesn't have any special abilities aside from the standard fast acceleration, good nitro efficiency, and strong handling + drifting; basically this car is a jack-of-all-trades
- Ultima RS --> This car is a junior partner to the FFZERO1; it basically feels like a combo of the FFZERO1 with the Centenario, Senna, and 600LT all rolled into one; very nice drive, with good speed recovery, decent nitro efficiency, decent acceleration, great handling, and decent drifting
- McLaren 600LT --> This car has excellent handling + drifting, and good nitro efficiency; basically useful as a "support car" whenever you aren't already using the previously mentioned four cars (FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima RS)
- Bugatti Centodieci --> This car has the 2nd-best straight-line acceleration after the Chiron SS300+, and it's excellent for wide open tracks such as Area 51, French Guiana, and Azure Coast (note: I think the McLaren Artura might be close to this car in acceleration)
- McLaren MP4-31 --> This car has the best handling in the game, and it is useful for a few specific areas that require insanely good handling in Gauntlet mode, such as on Orbital Loop and Transylvania
- Pininfarina Battista --> This car has excellent speed recovery, nitro efficiency, and drifting, but actually it suffers quite a lot from bad handling, so I personally find the FFZERO1 and Ultima RS to be more useful overall
- Bugatti Divo --> This car is almost rendered obsolete by the previous lineup of cars, but it's obviously still an excellent car
- Lamborghini Sian --> Like the Divo, there's really not a lot of usefulness left for this car when comparing it to your previous lineup, since you only need a few cars in Gauntlet mode to perform well; again, it's still a great car
- Dodge Tomahawk --> This bike is only good for Bike TLEs
- 2018 McLaren X2 --> This car is useful on a few tracks for its excellent handling, but it's largely outclassed by the McLaren MP4-31
- Pagani Huayra R --> This car is a pleasant drive, but it feels to me like a non-spectacular car; i.e. not useful
- Lamborghini Terzo Millennio --> I have no idea how this car currently performs
Ultima RS and MP4-31 are surprisingly useful even ahead of One:1 in alien performing times (11/12 vs 3 respectively). [/i] These are the most used cars from all 55 races: Absolut (46 races, 84%)Jesko (44 races, 80%)Chiron SS300+ (28 races, 51%)FFZERO1 (27 races, 49%)Bolide (18 races, 32%)Vayanne (15 races, 27%)MP4-31 (12 races, 22%) Ultima RS (11 races, 20%)Battista (6 races, 11%)One:1 (3 races, 5.4%)Divo (2 races, 3.6%)Venom GT (2 races, 3.6%)X2 (2 races, 3.6%)Apollo IE (1 race, 1.8%)FXX K (1 race, 1.8%)La Voiture Noire (1 race, 1.8%)Regera (1 race, 1.8%)
[/quote] The only time One:1 only being used by aliens for its superior upwards drift (Munich Subway Spiral and Cloudtop final spin). But I guess without Absolut and Jesko, One:1 probably shines here. Based on my observation from the WR vida, anywhere with extreme tight handling and drifting, MP4-31 excels. Anywhere where jumps and tight drifts are involved, and FF01 is already being used in a different position, Ultima RS excels. With that I would say omoroca lineup with Centi (over SS300+), FFZERO1, Ultima RS, MP4-31 and One:1 (over Absolut/Jesko) would be an idea lineup. Battista is used fairly often too at the highest level, but funny half of them were before it's nerf (hence the WR vids uses Jesko but not contain Absolut lol).
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 0:21:44 GMT
Based on the Class S cars that you listed, here is how they rank against each other and how they are useful: - Faraday Future FFZERO1 --> This car is extremely versatile and useful on every track (excellent speed recovery)
- Koenigsegg One:1 --> This car is useful on every track and should not be underestimated (above-average raw top speed)
- Lamborghini Centenario --> This car is very reliable (except for skid/wreck), but it doesn't have any special abilities aside from the standard fast acceleration, good nitro efficiency, and strong handling + drifting; basically this car is a jack-of-all-trades
- Ultima RS --> This car is a junior partner to the FFZERO1; it basically feels like a combo of the FFZERO1 with the Centenario, Senna, and 600LT all rolled into one; very nice drive, with good speed recovery, decent nitro efficiency, decent acceleration, great handling, and decent drifting
- McLaren 600LT --> This car has excellent handling + drifting, and good nitro efficiency; basically useful as a "support car" whenever you aren't already using the previously mentioned four cars (FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima RS)
- Bugatti Centodieci --> This car has the 2nd-best straight-line acceleration after the Chiron SS300+, and it's excellent for wide open tracks such as Area 51, French Guiana, and Azure Coast (note: I think the McLaren Artura might be close to this car in acceleration)
- McLaren MP4-31 --> This car has the best handling in the game, and it is useful for a few specific areas that require insanely good handling in Gauntlet mode, such as on Orbital Loop and Transylvania
- Pininfarina Battista --> This car has excellent speed recovery, nitro efficiency, and drifting, but actually it suffers quite a lot from bad handling, so I personally find the FFZERO1 and Ultima RS to be more useful overall
- Bugatti Divo --> This car is almost rendered obsolete by the previous lineup of cars, but it's obviously still an excellent car
- Lamborghini Sian --> Like the Divo, there's really not a lot of usefulness left for this car when comparing it to your previous lineup, since you only need a few cars in Gauntlet mode to perform well; again, it's still a great car
- Dodge Tomahawk --> This bike is only good for Bike TLEs
- 2018 McLaren X2 --> This car is useful on a few tracks for its excellent handling, but it's largely outclassed by the McLaren MP4-31
- Pagani Huayra R --> This car is a pleasant drive, but it feels to me like a non-spectacular car; i.e. not useful
- Lamborghini Terzo Millennio --> I have no idea how this car currently performs
Ultima RS and MP4-31 are surprisingly useful even ahead of One:1 in alien performing times (11/12 vs 3 respectively). The One:1's usefulness is greatly diminished if you already own the Koenigsegg Jesko Absolut, which is a straight upgrade. Obviously, it wouldn't hurt to have two cars performing the same type of role, i.e. high raw top speed, but then if you also own the classic Jesko and Bolide (and Jesko Absolut) at the same time as the One:1, then it becomes entirely obsolete. Obviously, given that you can afford to buy the Jesko Absolut, you don't need the One:1. However, for players who don't own the Absolut, classic Jesko, or Bolide, the One:1 is essential for filling in the gap that is provided by those cars. It's the concept of a power vacuum... When the king is gone, an underdog steps in to take his place. On my Windows account, I use the One:1 a small amount. On this account, I own the Jesko and Bolide (and Chiron SS300+), but I don't own the Jesko Absolut. So, the few times that the One:1 is being used are in the situations where I require both the Jesko and Jesko Absolut at the same time (but because I don't have the Absolut, I'm using the Jesko with the One:1 instead). On iOS, I don't own any ULTIMATE cars (in Class S), so the One:1 is my main source of high raw top speed, which is why I use it on almost every track in Gauntlet mode. I also use the One:1 very frequently in Sprint TLEs. On iOS, the FFZERO1 is my most-used car, while the One:1 is my second-most-used car. A vehicle's usefulness is largely determined by how well it performs in relation to the competition. If the One:1 is placed against the Jesko Absolut, it doesn't stand a chance. But if you take away the ULTIMATE kings, then the One:1 is the last man standing. Meanwhile, this same principle can be applied to the Centenario. When you don't own the Chiron SS300+, the Centenario is often the best option for acceleration on most tracks. Before the Chiron SS300+ debuted into the game, the Centenario was dominant as the starter car in Gauntlet mode. However, these days, the Centenario is rarely used in Gauntlet world records, because it has been outcompeted by newer, more expensive/exclusive arrivals. In short, the One:1 actually is the second-best car in Omoroca's inventory as it currently stands. The Ultima RS and MP4-31 are specialist vehicles, which still maintain their usefulness when compared against the ULTIMATE kings. But in the context of Omoroca's inventory, the One:1 occupies the same role that the ULTIMATE kings would have otherwise occupied. Also, the MP4-31 is almost undrivable most of the time, so I only recommend using it when you absolutely have to, i.e. whenever you need overpowered handling. 90% of the time, I would choose the 600LT over the MP4-31 simply because the 600LT is less likely to skid and wreck, and because the 600LT has better nitro efficiency (as far as I can tell).
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 0:35:31 GMT
Based on the Class S cars that you listed, here is how they rank against each other and how they are useful: - Faraday Future FFZERO1 --> This car is extremely versatile and useful on every track (excellent speed recovery)
- Koenigsegg One:1 --> This car is useful on every track and should not be underestimated (above-average raw top speed)
- Lamborghini Centenario --> This car is very reliable (except for skid/wreck), but it doesn't have any special abilities aside from the standard fast acceleration, good nitro efficiency, and strong handling + drifting; basically this car is a jack-of-all-trades
- Ultima RS --> This car is a junior partner to the FFZERO1; it basically feels like a combo of the FFZERO1 with the Centenario, Senna, and 600LT all rolled into one; very nice drive, with good speed recovery, decent nitro efficiency, decent acceleration, great handling, and decent drifting
- McLaren 600LT --> This car has excellent handling + drifting, and good nitro efficiency; basically useful as a "support car" whenever you aren't already using the previously mentioned four cars (FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima RS)
- Bugatti Centodieci --> This car has the 2nd-best straight-line acceleration after the Chiron SS300+, and it's excellent for wide open tracks such as Area 51, French Guiana, and Azure Coast (note: I think the McLaren Artura might be close to this car in acceleration)
- McLaren MP4-31 --> This car has the best handling in the game, and it is useful for a few specific areas that require insanely good handling in Gauntlet mode, such as on Orbital Loop and Transylvania
- Pininfarina Battista --> This car has excellent speed recovery, nitro efficiency, and drifting, but actually it suffers quite a lot from bad handling, so I personally find the FFZERO1 and Ultima RS to be more useful overall
- Bugatti Divo --> This car is almost rendered obsolete by the previous lineup of cars, but it's obviously still an excellent car
- Lamborghini Sian --> Like the Divo, there's really not a lot of usefulness left for this car when comparing it to your previous lineup, since you only need a few cars in Gauntlet mode to perform well; again, it's still a great car
- Dodge Tomahawk --> This bike is only good for Bike TLEs
- 2018 McLaren X2 --> This car is useful on a few tracks for its excellent handling, but it's largely outclassed by the McLaren MP4-31
- Pagani Huayra R --> This car is a pleasant drive, but it feels to me like a non-spectacular car; i.e. not useful
- Lamborghini Terzo Millennio --> I have no idea how this car currently performs
The only time One:1 only being used by aliens for its superior upwards drift (Munich Subway Spiral and Cloudtop final spin). But I guess without Absolut and Jesko, One:1 probably shines here. Based on my observation from the WR vida, anywhere with extreme tight handling and drifting, MP4-31 excels. Anywhere where jumps and tight drifts are involved, and FF01 is already being used in a different position, Ultima RS excels. With that I would say omoroca lineup with Centi (over SS300+), FFZERO1, Ultima RS, MP4-31 and One:1 (over Absolut/Jesko) would be an idea lineup. Battista is used fairly often too at the highest level, but funny half of them were before it's nerf (hence the WR vids uses Jesko but not contain Absolut lol). The Centodieci (or Dieci) is only useful on a handful of tracks. As you can see in my list that I provided to Omoroca, I've only selected the Dieci as the starter car on 12 tracks. It's still a decent number, but it's not overwhelming in the context of 55 tracks in total. Meanwhile, the Centenario (or Nario) is useful on at least 34 tracks, according to the same list. This makes it almost three times more useful than the Dieci in the overall context of Omoroca's inventory. The reason that the Nario is more useful is that it has superior handling and drifting, which allows it to function perfectly well as a support car in positions #2 to #5, instead of only being used as a starter car in position #1 (which is the situation for the Dieci). So, the Nario is more versatile than the Dieci, and given that Omoroca doesn't own the Absolut, Jesko, or Bolide, there are a lot of empty positions throughout the different tracks where the Nario can easily occupy a support role. This is why you need to take a holistic approach when measuring the usefulness of cars. Always compare cars to the other cars that are available in the inventory, rather than comparing them in absolute terms to the kings of the game. A player often will not actually own the kings, so they have to use the second-best option. (I call the cars "Dieci" and "Nario" in order to distinguish them from one another.)
The actual ideal lineup for Omoroca is as follows: - The main four cars are the FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, and Ultima RS (generalists #1, #2, #3, #4)
- The Centodieci has several tracks where it is very good as the starter car (specialist #1)
- The MP4-31 is useful for its superb handling in several tracks (specialist #2)
- The 600LT is useful as a support car in a few tracks (generalist #5)
- The Battista, Sian, and Divo are useful in a handful of other specific positions on other tracks (specialists #3, #4, #5)
Based on this hierarchy, the majority of the time I would choose the Centenario over both the Centodieci and the MP4-31, so the list which you provided is definitely not accurate, because you completely left the Centenario out of the list, which doesn't make sense since this car is so useful in so many different situations.
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Post by Toyota - Destroyer of Gauntlet on Dec 29, 2023 8:04:45 GMT
The only time One:1 only being used by aliens for its superior upwards drift (Munich Subway Spiral and Cloudtop final spin). But I guess without Absolut and Jesko, One:1 probably shines here. Based on my observation from the WR vida, anywhere with extreme tight handling and drifting, MP4-31 excels. Anywhere where jumps and tight drifts are involved, and FF01 is already being used in a different position, Ultima RS excels. With that I would say omoroca lineup with Centi (over SS300+), FFZERO1, Ultima RS, MP4-31 and One:1 (over Absolut/Jesko) would be an idea lineup. Battista is used fairly often too at the highest level, but funny half of them were before it's nerf (hence the WR vids uses Jesko but not contain Absolut lol). The Centodieci (or Dieci) is only useful on a handful of tracks. As you can see in my list that I provided to Omoroca, I've only selected the Dieci as the starter car on 12 tracks. It's still a decent number, but it's not overwhelming in the context of 55 tracks in total. Meanwhile, the Centenario (or Nario) is useful on at least 34 tracks, according to the same list. This makes it almost three times more useful than the Dieci in the overall context of Omoroca's inventory. The reason that the Nario is more useful is that it has superior handling and drifting, which allows it to function perfectly well as a support car in positions #2 to #5, instead of only being used as a starter car in position #1 (which is the situation for the Dieci). So, the Nario is more versatile than the Dieci, and given that Omoroca doesn't own the Absolut, Jesko, or Bolide, there are a lot of empty positions throughout the different tracks where the Nario can easily occupy a support role. This is why you need to take a holistic approach when measuring the usefulness of cars. Always compare cars to the other cars that are available in the inventory, rather than comparing them in absolute terms to the kings of the game. A player often will not actually own the kings, so they have to use the second-best option. (I call the cars "Dieci" and "Nario" in order to distinguish them from one another.)
The actual ideal lineup for Omoroca is as follows: - The main four cars are the FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, and Ultima RS (generalists #1, #2, #3, #4)
- The Centodieci has several tracks where it is very good as the starter car (specialist #1)
- The MP4-31 is useful for its superb handling in several tracks (specialist #2)
- The 600LT is useful as a support car in a few tracks (generalist #5)
- The Battista, Sian, and Divo are useful in a handful of other specific positions on other tracks (specialists #3, #4, #5)
Based on this hierarchy, the majority of the time I would choose the Centenario over both the Centodieci and the MP4-31, so the list which you provided is definitely not accurate, because you completely left the Centenario out of the list, which doesn't make sense since this car is so useful in so many different situations.
Understandable and perfectly reasonable given the situation. Not used Lambo Cento before so cannot comment, but I always heard Buggi Centi as a 300+ clone. Your advise definitely precedes in this situation. Imo One:1 has better drfiting than Absolut tho. And also fyi, AM V12 2022 and Lambo Huracan S has higher nitro efficiency than Absolut, the latter being over 22s perfect Nitro.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 13:36:55 GMT
The Centodieci (or Dieci) is only useful on a handful of tracks. As you can see in my list that I provided to Omoroca, I've only selected the Dieci as the starter car on 12 tracks. It's still a decent number, but it's not overwhelming in the context of 55 tracks in total. Meanwhile, the Centenario (or Nario) is useful on at least 34 tracks, according to the same list. This makes it almost three times more useful than the Dieci in the overall context of Omoroca's inventory. The reason that the Nario is more useful is that it has superior handling and drifting, which allows it to function perfectly well as a support car in positions #2 to #5, instead of only being used as a starter car in position #1 (which is the situation for the Dieci). So, the Nario is more versatile than the Dieci, and given that Omoroca doesn't own the Absolut, Jesko, or Bolide, there are a lot of empty positions throughout the different tracks where the Nario can easily occupy a support role. This is why you need to take a holistic approach when measuring the usefulness of cars. Always compare cars to the other cars that are available in the inventory, rather than comparing them in absolute terms to the kings of the game. A player often will not actually own the kings, so they have to use the second-best option. (I call the cars "Dieci" and "Nario" in order to distinguish them from one another.)
The actual ideal lineup for Omoroca is as follows: - The main four cars are the FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, and Ultima RS (generalists #1, #2, #3, #4)
- The Centodieci has several tracks where it is very good as the starter car (specialist #1)
- The MP4-31 is useful for its superb handling in several tracks (specialist #2)
- The 600LT is useful as a support car in a few tracks (generalist #5)
- The Battista, Sian, and Divo are useful in a handful of other specific positions on other tracks (specialists #3, #4, #5)
Based on this hierarchy, the majority of the time I would choose the Centenario over both the Centodieci and the MP4-31, so the list which you provided is definitely not accurate, because you completely left the Centenario out of the list, which doesn't make sense since this car is so useful in so many different situations.
Understandable and perfectly reasonable given the situation. Not used Lambo Cento before so cannot comment, but I always heard Buggi Centi as a 300+ clone. Your advise definitely precedes in this situation. Imo One:1 has better drfiting than Absolut tho. And also fyi, AM V12 2022 and Lambo Huracan S has higher nitro efficiency than Absolut, the latter being over 22s perfect Nitro. I never measured the Absolut's nitro efficiency myself, but from what I was told, this car has a very good level 2 and very good level 3. Meanwhile, the AM V12 2022 has very good level 2, but the level 3 is weaker. Often, when measuring nitro efficiency, you have to take into account both of the levels. For the Koenigsegg One:1, this car actually only has a good level 2 (in the middle; good but not the best), whereas its level 3 is noticeably quite weak. However, the One:1 has a high raw top speed, so it can survive using perfect nitro as it doesn't lose a lot of speed when it's on level 1 nitro (which you have to activate before perfect). I mean, still taking the raw top speed into account, the Absolut easily defeats both the AM V12 2022 and Sterrato purely on RTS alone. RTS combined with good nitro efficiency is basically godly level of power; the Absolut will almost never run out of juice. By the way, the Centodieci is definitely super close to the Chiron SS300+ in performance, but the main downside is the lack of the RTS advantage. The Centodieci's acceleration is a tiny bit slower, the Centodieci's handling+drifting are a bit better, and the Centodieci's nitro efficiency is also a bit better. So, the Centodieci is a more moderate version of the Chiron SS300+, which is more extreme. A major advantage of the Chiron SS300+ over the Centodieci is the fact that it can activate perfect nitro and still accelerate equally as fast as it would with triple-tap (which is a consequence of having a very high RTS); this is something that YlmzTrk told me a while ago, and I've tested it and it's true. So, if you think about it, the Chiron SS300+ ends up being more efficient with nitro than the Centodieci since you can basically just exclusively use the perfect nitro, whereas the Centodieci has to rely a lot more on the level 3 nitro.
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Post by Toyota - Destroyer of Gauntlet on Dec 29, 2023 13:55:58 GMT
Understandable and perfectly reasonable given the situation. Not used Lambo Cento before so cannot comment, but I always heard Buggi Centi as a 300+ clone. Your advise definitely precedes in this situation. Imo One:1 has better drfiting than Absolut tho. And also fyi, AM V12 2022 and Lambo Huracan S has higher nitro efficiency than Absolut, the latter being over 22s perfect Nitro. I never measured the Absolut's nitro efficiency myself, but from what I was told, this car has a very good level 2 and very good level 3. Meanwhile, the AM V12 2022 has very good level 2, but the level 3 is weaker. Often, when measuring nitro efficiency, you have to take into account both of the levels. For the Koenigsegg One:1, this car actually only has a good level 2 (in the middle; good but not the best), whereas its level 3 is noticeably quite weak. However, the One:1 has a high raw top speed, so it can survive using perfect nitro as it doesn't lose a lot of speed when it's on level 1 nitro (which you have to activate before perfect). I mean, still taking the raw top speed into account, the Absolut easily defeats both the AM V12 2022 and Sterrato purely on RTS alone. RTS combined with good nitro efficiency is basically godly level of power; the Absolut will almost never run out of juice. By the way, the Centodieci is definitely super close to the Chiron SS300+ in performance, but the main downside is the lack of the RTS advantage. The Centodieci's acceleration is a tiny bit slower, the Centodieci's handling+drifting are a bit better, and the Centodieci's nitro efficiency is also a bit better. So, the Centodieci is a more moderate version of the Chiron SS300+, which is more extreme. A major advantage of the Chiron SS300+ over the Centodieci is the fact that it can activate perfect nitro and still accelerate equally as fast as it would with triple-tap (which is a consequence of having a very high RTS); this is something that YlmzTrk told me a while ago, and I've tested it and it's true. So, if you think about it, the Chiron SS300+ ends up being more efficient with nitro than the Centodieci since you can basically just exclusively use the perfect nitro, whereas the Centodieci has to rely a lot more on the level 3 nitro. SS300+ actually accelerates faster at Perfect Nitro than triple tap, at least in French Guinea FWD. I was consistently contemplating why my acceleration is visible slower when I triple tap in my offense. Other tracks it feels similarly fast tho. But yeah SS300+ has insane high RTS so it barely lose speed when microdrift or light drift. We will see how the almost equally fast FV GT3 compare in over a month time! Great insight from you as always.
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Post by omoroca on Dec 29, 2023 15:50:41 GMT
I never measured the Absolut's nitro efficiency myself, but from what I was told, this car has a very good level 2 and very good level 3. Meanwhile, the AM V12 2022 has very good level 2, but the level 3 is weaker. Often, when measuring nitro efficiency, you have to take into account both of the levels. For the Koenigsegg One:1, this car actually only has a good level 2 (in the middle; good but not the best), whereas its level 3 is noticeably quite weak. However, the One:1 has a high raw top speed, so it can survive using perfect nitro as it doesn't lose a lot of speed when it's on level 1 nitro (which you have to activate before perfect). I mean, still taking the raw top speed into account, the Absolut easily defeats both the AM V12 2022 and Sterrato purely on RTS alone. RTS combined with good nitro efficiency is basically godly level of power; the Absolut will almost never run out of juice. By the way, the Centodieci is definitely super close to the Chiron SS300+ in performance, but the main downside is the lack of the RTS advantage. The Centodieci's acceleration is a tiny bit slower, the Centodieci's handling+drifting are a bit better, and the Centodieci's nitro efficiency is also a bit better. So, the Centodieci is a more moderate version of the Chiron SS300+, which is more extreme. A major advantage of the Chiron SS300+ over the Centodieci is the fact that it can activate perfect nitro and still accelerate equally as fast as it would with triple-tap (which is a consequence of having a very high RTS); this is something that YlmzTrk told me a while ago, and I've tested it and it's true. So, if you think about it, the Chiron SS300+ ends up being more efficient with nitro than the Centodieci since you can basically just exclusively use the perfect nitro, whereas the Centodieci has to rely a lot more on the level 3 nitro. SS300+ actually accelerates faster at Perfect Nitro than triple tap, at least in French Guinea FWD. I was consistently contemplating why my acceleration is visible slower when I triple tap in my offense. Other tracks it feels similarly fast tho. But yeah SS300+ has insane high RTS so it barely lose speed when microdrift or light drift. We will see how the almost equally fast FV GT3 compare in over a month time! Great insight from you as always. Dunno what you mean when you write "Centi". Centenario or Centodieci? Probably Centodieci. When I Proed it, I thought it was a good 2nd-best 300+ substitute. But it's worse in many respects. Worse acc, worse microdrift, even worse handling (which is difficult, given the 300+'s bad handling). Every time I substituted the Dieci with the Divo as Gauntlet starter, I had better results. So I just hate the Centodieci.
And I also don't understand why raw top speed is supposed to be important in Gauntlet. I mean it's true, One:1 is 18 km/h faster without nitro than any other S-class car I have. But in Gauntlet, you're on nitro 100% of the time anyway, aren't you? Or can triple-tap + no-nitro be faster overall than perfect nitro?
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Post by omoroca on Dec 29, 2023 15:50:53 GMT
Understandable and perfectly reasonable given the situation. Not used Lambo Cento before so cannot comment, but I always heard Buggi Centi as a 300+ clone. Your advise definitely precedes in this situation. Imo One:1 has better drfiting than Absolut tho. And also fyi, AM V12 2022 and Lambo Huracan S has higher nitro efficiency than Absolut, the latter being over 22s perfect Nitro. I never measured the Absolut's nitro efficiency myself, but from what I was told, this car has a very good level 2 and very good level 3. Meanwhile, the AM V12 2022 has very good level 2, but the level 3 is weaker. Often, when measuring nitro efficiency, you have to take into account both of the levels. For the Koenigsegg One:1, this car actually only has a good level 2 (in the middle; good but not the best), whereas its level 3 is noticeably quite weak. However, the One:1 has a high raw top speed, so it can survive using perfect nitro as it doesn't lose a lot of speed when it's on level 1 nitro (which you have to activate before perfect). I mean, still taking the raw top speed into account, the Absolut easily defeats both the AM V12 2022 and Sterrato purely on RTS alone. RTS combined with good nitro efficiency is basically godly level of power; the Absolut will almost never run out of juice. By the way, the Centodieci is definitely super close to the Chiron SS300+ in performance, but the main downside is the lack of the RTS advantage. The Centodieci's acceleration is a tiny bit slower, the Centodieci's handling+drifting are a bit better, and the Centodieci's nitro efficiency is also a bit better. So, the Centodieci is a more moderate version of the Chiron SS300+, which is more extreme. A major advantage of the Chiron SS300+ over the Centodieci is the fact that it can activate perfect nitro and still accelerate equally as fast as it would with triple-tap (which is a consequence of having a very high RTS); this is something that YlmzTrk told me a while ago, and I've tested it and it's true. So, if you think about it, the Chiron SS300+ ends up being more efficient with nitro than the Centodieci since you can basically just exclusively use the perfect nitro, whereas the Centodieci has to rely a lot more on the level 3 nitro. I find both the MP4-31 and 600LT undrivable. 600LT is Ok though, when no barrel roll is involved. So the 600LT can be a good substitute for the MP4-31 as the "safer choice", is that what you're saying?
I'll try the lineups you proposed to me, and from that starting point on, I will try to further tweak. From next week on, I will use 5 of my 10 Gauntlet tickets for Defense, which I used to do only on Mondays, but now I will do it every day. Tweaking the Gauntlet lineup with the available car material sounds like a fun challenge for the next months or even years. I'll ask you for advice every now and then maybe.
As you can see in my table at the top of this thread, your recommended London Standard setup improved my laptime further. Although I'm not sure whether I have more practice or the One:1 on pos #2 is in fact faster than the Ultima. The Ultima seems more agile, so I can take the right corner before the phone booth closer to the inner edge, and the nitro use is worse but not bad enough to run out of nitro before the Battista takes the jump on the bridge. What do you think?
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 16:03:15 GMT
I never measured the Absolut's nitro efficiency myself, but from what I was told, this car has a very good level 2 and very good level 3. Meanwhile, the AM V12 2022 has very good level 2, but the level 3 is weaker. Often, when measuring nitro efficiency, you have to take into account both of the levels. For the Koenigsegg One:1, this car actually only has a good level 2 (in the middle; good but not the best), whereas its level 3 is noticeably quite weak. However, the One:1 has a high raw top speed, so it can survive using perfect nitro as it doesn't lose a lot of speed when it's on level 1 nitro (which you have to activate before perfect). I mean, still taking the raw top speed into account, the Absolut easily defeats both the AM V12 2022 and Sterrato purely on RTS alone. RTS combined with good nitro efficiency is basically godly level of power; the Absolut will almost never run out of juice. By the way, the Centodieci is definitely super close to the Chiron SS300+ in performance, but the main downside is the lack of the RTS advantage. The Centodieci's acceleration is a tiny bit slower, the Centodieci's handling+drifting are a bit better, and the Centodieci's nitro efficiency is also a bit better. So, the Centodieci is a more moderate version of the Chiron SS300+, which is more extreme. A major advantage of the Chiron SS300+ over the Centodieci is the fact that it can activate perfect nitro and still accelerate equally as fast as it would with triple-tap (which is a consequence of having a very high RTS); this is something that YlmzTrk told me a while ago, and I've tested it and it's true. So, if you think about it, the Chiron SS300+ ends up being more efficient with nitro than the Centodieci since you can basically just exclusively use the perfect nitro, whereas the Centodieci has to rely a lot more on the level 3 nitro. I find both the MP4-31 and 600LT undrivable. 600LT is Ok though, when no barrel roll is involved. So the 600LT can be a good substitute for the MP4-31 as the "safer choice", is that what you're saying?
I'll try the lineups you proposed to me, and from that starting point on, I will try to further tweak. From next week on, I will use 5 of my 10 Gauntlet tickets for Defense, which I used to do only on Mondays, but now I will do it every day. Tweaking the Gauntlet lineup with the available car material sounds like a fun challenge for the next months or even years. I'll ask you for advice every now and then maybe.
As you can see in my table at the top of this thread, your recommended London Standard setup improved my laptime further. Although I'm not sure whether I have more practice or the One:1 on pos #2 is in fact faster than the Ultima. The Ultima seems more agile, so I can take the right corner before the phone booth closer to the inner edge, and the nitro use is worse but not bad enough to run out of nitro before the Battista takes the jump on the bridge. What do you think?
The One:1 and Ultima have the same level 2 nitro efficiency (2ne = 11), whereas the Ultima has superior level 3 nitro efficiency (3ne = 15 vs 16). (so Ultima is more nitro-efficient overall). However, the One:1's raw top speed is considerably higher, which allows it to maintain a higher speed during the drift. Also, if you run out of nitro, you will slow down only by a little bit, whereas the Ultima will slow down by a lot. ^EDIT: The Ultima has faster acceleration and speed recovery than the One:1, so it can also go around corners quite quickly. Position #2 of London Standard is quite treacherous as there is limited nitro available. You need to obtain at least one or two barrel rolls on the ramps leading into the position, in order to replenish your nitro. The Ultima has better handling than the One:1, but the One:1 has better drifting. Overall, both cars can perform well in this area; the Ultima requires micro-drifting in order to lose as little speed as possible, whereas the One:1 can quite easily drift widely through this area.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 16:12:30 GMT
I find both the MP4-31 and 600LT undrivable. 600LT is Ok though, when no barrel roll is involved. So the 600LT can be a good substitute for the MP4-31 as the "safer choice", is that what you're saying? The 600LT actually has one of the best "steering radiuses" in Class S (i.e. pressing the left/right arrow keys, but not drifting). In fact, the 600LT steers more sharply than both the McLaren Senna and the Renault Sport R.S. 01. (I haven't tested it against other cars: W Motors Fenyr, Ultima RS, Bolide, and Apollo IE also have good steering). The 600LT's handling is less responsive than the McLaren Senna's in the short term, so if you try to quickly manoeuvre around an obstacle, the Senna will defeat the 600LT in this regard. However, in a long curved road, the 600LT pulls closer towards the wall while the Senna goes wide. This can be demonstrated on Transylvania, especially at the beginning of The King's Highway and Clifftop Run. The 600LT effectively has the 2nd-best steering after the MP4-31, as far as I can tell. In position #4 of Transylvania: Mountain City Rally, the McLaren MP4-31 was always the best option, however, the MP4-31's statistics were changed; it received improved nitro efficiency and total top speed, but this came at the cost of a slight reduction in its handling abilities. The 600LT was one of the only other cars that could perform this part of the track equally as well as the MP4-31.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 29, 2023 18:34:18 GMT
omoroca - I have made my first major revision to the recommended lineups after I just ran an insanely good lap-time on my iOS account (which is more newbie than my main Windows account). On Windows, my personal best lap-time on French Guiana Reverse is 53:426 (Battista, Jesko, FFZERO1, Bolide), June 26, 2023. Incredibly, I have managed to defeat this lap-time on my iOS (iMac computer) account just a moment ago, using what is theoretically actually a worse lineup of cars (and also coincidentally a lineup of cars which is accessible to you as well). On iOS, I just now achieved, on French Guiana Reverse, 53:409 (FFZERO1, Centenario, One:1, Sian), December 29, 2023. The major difference is the fact that the One:1 and Centenario swapped places (my previous recommendation was FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima). Additionally, given that I don't have the Ultima on my iOS account, I used the Sian instead. I'm guessing that these two cars would provide similar results in position #4 of this track, so I can't say which one is definitively better. It might even be the case that the McLaren 600LT or McLaren MP4-31 is the best option here, I don't know. But yes, effectively, the One:1 and Centenario (and Sian) have successfully dethroned the Jesko, Bolide, and Battista from a Gauntlet PB just now. The FFZERO1 is still being used in both lap-times, albeit in different positions (and obviously, changing the FFZERO1 from the Battista as the starter car would have had some kind of an impact on the final result).
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Post by omoroca on Dec 29, 2023 20:44:41 GMT
omoroca - I have made my first major revision to the recommended lineups after I just ran an insanely good lap-time on my iOS account (which is more newbie than my main Windows account). On Windows, my personal best lap-time on French Guiana Reverse is 53:426 (Battista, Jesko, FFZERO1, Bolide), June 26, 2023. Incredibly, I have managed to defeat this lap-time on my iOS (iMac computer) account just a moment ago, using what is theoretically actually a worse lineup of cars (and also coincidentally a lineup of cars which is accessible to you as well). On iOS, I just now achieved, on French Guiana Reverse, 53:409 (FFZERO1, Centenario, One:1, Sian), December 29, 2023. The major difference is the fact that the One:1 and Centenario swapped places (my previous recommendation was FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima). Additionally, given that I don't have the Ultima on my iOS account, I used the Sian instead. I'm guessing that these two cars would provide similar results in position #4 of this track, so I can't say which one is definitively better. It might even be the case that the McLaren 600LT or McLaren MP4-31 is the best option here, I don't know. But yes, effectively, the One:1 and Centenario (and Sian) have successfully dethroned the Jesko, Bolide, and Battista from a Gauntlet PB just now. The FFZERO1 is still being used in both lap-times, albeit in different positions (and obviously, changing the FFZERO1 from the Battista as the starter car would have had some kind of an impact on the final result). I have analyzed your list with my proposed cars per track a little. I've noticed that you placed Divo and Centodieci only on pos #1, which makes sense bc they are my fastest accelerating cars. And you also never placed 600LT and MP4-31 on the same track, only either of them.
As I hate Centodieci and MP4-31 and absolutely don't wanna use them, no matter how many milliseconds that is going to cost me, I have completely replaced them: Centodieci → Divo MP4-31 → 600LT Does that make sense?
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Post by omoroca on Dec 30, 2023 14:39:32 GMT
Achieved the exact same laptime 00:55:670 again today in London, with the One:1 on pos #2 and another time with the Ultima on pos #2, but never anything better. This seems to be the absolute limit with my hardware/cars/skills combination.
I'm not starting to try any other cars/combinations now bc the season is almost over.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 30, 2023 18:57:43 GMT
omoroca - I have made my first major revision to the recommended lineups after I just ran an insanely good lap-time on my iOS account (which is more newbie than my main Windows account). On Windows, my personal best lap-time on French Guiana Reverse is 53:426 (Battista, Jesko, FFZERO1, Bolide), June 26, 2023. Incredibly, I have managed to defeat this lap-time on my iOS (iMac computer) account just a moment ago, using what is theoretically actually a worse lineup of cars (and also coincidentally a lineup of cars which is accessible to you as well). On iOS, I just now achieved, on French Guiana Reverse, 53:409 (FFZERO1, Centenario, One:1, Sian), December 29, 2023. The major difference is the fact that the One:1 and Centenario swapped places (my previous recommendation was FFZERO1, One:1, Centenario, Ultima). Additionally, given that I don't have the Ultima on my iOS account, I used the Sian instead. I'm guessing that these two cars would provide similar results in position #4 of this track, so I can't say which one is definitively better. It might even be the case that the McLaren 600LT or McLaren MP4-31 is the best option here, I don't know. But yes, effectively, the One:1 and Centenario (and Sian) have successfully dethroned the Jesko, Bolide, and Battista from a Gauntlet PB just now. The FFZERO1 is still being used in both lap-times, albeit in different positions (and obviously, changing the FFZERO1 from the Battista as the starter car would have had some kind of an impact on the final result). I have analyzed your list with my proposed cars per track a little. I've noticed that you placed Divo and Centodieci only on pos #1, which makes sense bc they are my fastest accelerating cars. And you also never placed 600LT and MP4-31 on the same track, only either of them.
As I hate Centodieci and MP4-31 and absolutely don't wanna use them, no matter how many milliseconds that is going to cost me, I have completely replaced them: Centodieci → Divo MP4-31 → 600LT Does that make sense? On most of the tracks where I placed the Dieci first, the Divo can indeed be swapped with it. However, on a few of these tracks, it would actually potentially be better to use the Sian specifically instead. Nonetheless, the difference between the Divo and Sian would be quite small in these cases, so you would probably prefer to use the Divo instead since I know you like that car better than the Sian. For reference of these specific tracks where the Sian would be better than the Divo (replacing the Dieci), these include: - Test Site: Omega
- Great Wall Reverse
- Azure Coast Forward
Additionally, on one other track, the Centenario would actually be a better option than the Divo (replacing the Dieci): - Barcelona Reverse
The reason for these four adjustments is the fact that the advantage provided by the Dieci was only very tiny to begin with. The Dieci provided faster acceleration, but these four tracks have difficult handling at the start. So, after you eliminate the acceleration advantage that is provided by the Dieci, you are better off using a car with stronger handling instead of the Divo, whose acceleration is not as good as the Dieci's (but still suffers from bad handling). In three of these tracks, the Sian becomes the better option either because (1) the Centenario is being used in another position on the same track or (2) the Sian is legitimately just the better option than the Centenario (this only occurs on Great Wall Reverse). On one of the tracks, Barcelona Reverse, the smoother handling of the Centenario is more advantageous than the Sian, although the Sian would probably perform very similarly.
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Post by Ronan🌻 on Dec 30, 2023 19:08:31 GMT
Achieved the exact same laptime 00:55:670 again today in London, with the One:1 on pos #2 and another time with the Ultima on pos #2, but never anything better. This seems to be the absolute limit with my hardware/cars/skills combination.
I'm not starting to try any other cars/combinations now bc the season is almost over.
Yes, I can imagine that the One:1 and Ultima would be neck-and-neck on this position of this track. Either option is strong. It depends on your preference. There are two other facts which are affecting your lap-time on this track. Firstly, you are losing a lot of speed in the Battista in position #3 when you do the double flat-spin, and you are also avoiding the forced barrel roll on the flat spin ramp in the Battista (which is supposed to be followed up by a barrel roll on the barrel roll ramp). You are avoiding the ramps entirely and staying low, which reduces your lap-time by a small amount, although it's probably not a bad thing since the risk of wrecking (by landing upside down) at the forced barrel is very high. Theoretically, you could replace the Battista with the One:1 in position #3, whilst still using the Ultima in position #2. Given that you aren't even using the ramps at all, the One:1 would provide similar performance with better handling. You would need to use perfect nitro in the One:1, but avoid the flat spins. Alternatively, you could use the One:1 in position #2 and the Battista in position #3, but reserve some of your nitro in the One:1 before switching to the Battista (you would do this by using level 1 nitro for part of the duration of the One:1, to conserve the supply), and then use perfect nitro in the Battista, avoiding the flat spins again. In this scenario, you could replace the FFZERO1 with the Ultima in position #4, depending on how much nitro efficiency you need, since the Ultima has better level 3 NE than the FFZERO1. So, either: Centenario, One:1, Battista, FFZERO1-or-Ultima (with no flat spins) ...or... Centenario, Ultima, One:1, FFZERO1. This is getting somewhat complex now, but the entire reason for using the Battista in position #3 is to do the forced barrel roll, which you are avoiding entirely, which partially defeats the purpose of using it in the first place. Your lap-time is actually not that bad on this track. It's only around 1/3rd of a second behind my personal best on Windows (my high-level account), while it's probably slightly better than my current PB on my iOS account (lower-level).
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